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舞台剧《艾未未被关押》 The Arrest of Ai Weiwei 北京时间4月20日周六凌晨2:30网络直播



lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:14:23 UTC
舞台剧《艾未未被关押》(The Arrest of Ai Weiwei),长2小时5分,包括20分钟场间休息。将于北京时间周六4月20日凌晨2:30 网络直播地址 http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/news/2013/04/watch-aiww-live-streaming-here-this-friday/ @fakecase @suyutong @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:44:21 UTC
艾未未 @aiww 和《星期天时报》谈《艾未未被关押》舞台剧 http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/news/2013/04/ai-weiwei-discusses-brenton-s-new-play-with-the-sunday-times/ @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:46:01 UTC
艾未未主义 http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/news/2013/04/weiwei-isms-a-selection-of-quotations-from-ai/ 艾神语录 @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:47:48 UTC
《标准晚报》:这幕剧网络直播是北京政府的眼中钉 http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/news/2013/04/the-evening-standard-a-thorn-in-the-side-of-beijing/ @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:48:37 UTC
Howard Brenton:我的这幕剧对艾未未是危险 http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/news/2013/04/howard-brenton-my-play-is-dangerous-for-ai-weiwei/ @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:56:05 UTC
四月在 Bexleyheath 的 Danson House 举办《Couriers of Taste 品味信使》展览,请在泰特艺术馆葵花籽展览上顺手捞了葵花籽的观众将葵花籽借用来展览,展后归还提供者。:) http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/stolen-ai-weiwei-seeds-sprout-new-exhibition-run-for-your-wife-hobbles-along-8514844.html @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 00:58:35 UTC
舞台剧《艾未未被关押》故事介绍 http://hampsteadtheatre-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/File/1258.doc @aiww @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 01:06:44 UTC
http://goo.gl/5ajc3 舞台剧《艾未未被关押 The Arrest of Ai Weiwei》网络直播 谷歌圈子日历 @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili @oiax @dbdb52

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-18 01:31:18 UTC
《艾未未被关押》 舞台剧照 https://plus.google.com/events/gallery/cuesifpqgqjkiapdtki44h06m9o?authkey=CPe_vMC-lbPKkQE @fakecase @Suyutong @duyanpili @oiax @dbdb52 @Xierwa



http://hampsteadtheatre-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/File/1258.doc
The Story Behind  #aiww: The Arrest of Ai Weiwei
By Barnaby Martin, author of Hanging Man: The Arrest of Ai Weiwei which is the foundation to Brenton's new play

It was July 2011 and Ai Weiwei, one of the most important artists of the twenty-first century, was under house arrest in Beijing.  He had just been released from detention and he was forbidden from talking to journalists or fellow dissidents, he was obliged to report all his proposed movements to his minders and when he did leave his house he was tailed and shadowed by undercover police. It wasn't exactly the 'freedom' he'd been hoping for but as I was soon to discover, it was immeasurably better than his experience inside. 

Just prior to Ai Weiwei's arrest I had been planning to write a book about Chinese art from the late nineteen seventies – focusing on the work of 'The Stars' group of artists.  This show would have included some of Weiwei's earliest work, as he was one of the founding members of 'The Stars'.

The late seventies was a crux point in Chinese history. In 1976 both Chairman Mao and Zhou Enlai died.  A line was drawn under the horrors of the Cultural Revolution. Deng Xiaoping, wishing to put some clear water between himself and the Gang of Four, even allowed modest displays of public discontent to take place on the streets of Beijing.  This short-lived period of relative freedom is traditionally referred to as the Beijing Spring.

'The Stars' tested Deng's new found tolerance by staging an illegal art show. They hung their work along the railings outside the National Gallery in Beijing.  It is hard to appreciate the radicalism of their actions today, particularly in the West.  All the art schools in China had been closed during the Cultural Revolution; it was illegal to organize exhibitions; it was effectively illegal to make art in anything other than the 'Revolutionary Realist' style.  Had the Cultural Revolution still been going on, 'The Stars' would have been rounded up and either murdered, or imprisoned.  But the artists that made up 'The Stars' were emboldened by the death of Mao and by Deng's lighter touch.

There were only twelve founding members of 'The Stars'.  Together with their small band of supporters, they marched up Chang'an avenue to Tiananmen Square, under a banner demanding 'Democracy and Freedom of Expression'.  The illegal show – heavily influenced by the Cubists and Fauvists, was taken down immediately and over the ensuing couple of years, the twelve members of 'The Stars' were harassed and bullied by the police.  By 1983 most of them had gone into exile.  The young Ai Weiwei was one of the twelve original members of 'The Stars'.  He left for New York in 1981.

At the beginning of 2011 I approached Neil Belton at Faber and Faber with the rough idea for this book. After Neil had commissioned it, I got in touch with Weiwei and arranged to interview him at his house on the outskirts of Beijing.  I thought we would go through the history of 'The Stars' and the background to his own art, and perhaps discuss the close relationship in his own work, and in that of many of his contemporaries, between art and political activism. However, a couple of days before I was due to travel, Weiwei was arrested without explanation whilst trying to board a flight to Hong Kong.  He was imprisoned without trial for 81 days.

A few days after Weiwei's sudden and mysterious release from detention, I phoned some journalists I know who work in Beijing.  Weiwei was refusing all interviews because he was worried that if he did speak to anyone he would be rearrested for breaching the terms of his bail and he, understandably, didn't want to be detained again. I rang Weiwei's old mobile number. I assumed that the police would have confiscated it or turned it off, but to my surprise Weiwei answered. My first thought was that he sounded much older than when we had last spoken – much older and much slower. I wondered at that moment if they'd just broken him. But when I asked him what it had been like inside, his characteristic openness and alacrity suddenly returned: 'Come and visit and we can talk about everything,' he said. I agreed, but because his phone and email were tapped I couldn't tell him when I would arrive.

A few days later, in Beijing, I went to Weiwei's house.  I was jetlagged so had gone early to his house, at around 5am.  This was fortunate:  the police surveillance squad parked outside his house were fast asleep.  I spent several days talking to Weiwei about his experiences in prison, his art and activism, his theories of art, reality and the individual, and his thoughts on the future of China.  Weiwei is a natural raconteur and although he was still deeply traumatised by his experience inside, he went back through the experiences of his detention and recounted, in his inimitable English, the most incredible and bizarre story I have ever heard; at times terrifying, at times surreal, always mesmerising.  And as I listened, it became clear that Weiwei's account, whilst on the surface an extremely local tale, a tale most definitely set in China at the beginning of the twenty-first century, was also a universal story of the struggle for freedom of expression, against a regime which seeks to silence those who are not reading from the official script.  It was soon obvious to me that I should make a record for posterity of exactly what it is like to be 'disappeared' and to be held without trial and then interrogated for two months by the world's most powerful totalitarian regime.

The leaders of the Chinese Communist Party are bullies and thugs. When they feel threatened they simply round up those who threaten them.  There are none of the niceties of a formal arrest and trial.  They control all the media in China and they invest billions in promoting China's 'soft power' around the world.  Their huge cash reserves combined with their omnipotent PR machine are buying friends around the world; they are responsible for the plethora of new 'Confucius Institutes' that are popping up across the globe, as well as for the well-oiled, though eerily robotic, Beijing Olympics (which Weiwei has referred to as a 'fake smile'). 

At the beginning of 2011, as soon as it became clear that the uprising in Tunisia was contagious, the politburo lost no time in instructing the security forces to act.  As Tania Branigan of The Guardian observed at the time, it was as if they had gone down the list of human rights activists and simply arrested everyone, regardless of whether or not they were in any way active at the time.  Scores of people were detained without trial.  They were abused and tortured; many of those who were arrested in the round-up and have since been released still have difficulty sleeping, they suffer from paranoia, they are traumatised; and some of those arrested are still unaccounted for and their relatives have still not been informed about their whereabouts or likely fates.

What better way to strike back than to show the world what really goes on behind the closed doors of the interrogation cell, when the officers of the regime reveal their true agenda?  'This isn't art,"  they screamed at Ai Weiwei:  "This is ugly bullshit.  We know what art is.  Art is a Ming vase, or a Tang dynasty horse, not this decadent shit…  And we've investigated how much it costs to make a sunflower seed and yet you sell them for one hundred times more.  You're a con man.  You're a robber.  You make trouble for the Party.  You're a lackey to the west.  You're going down forever.'

One man, alone in a cell, being cross-examined and terrorized by interrogators who are his ideological enemies in every way. Weiwei said that throughout the eighty one day ordeal, he often thought of what had happened to his father fifty years earlier.  Weiwei's father, Ai Qing, had at one time been the unofficial poet laureate of China.  He was a friend of Mao, he was among the Party's inner circle during the civil war.  To this day, his poems are learned off by heart by schoolchildren and recited at public rallies by Jiang Zemin.  But Ai Qing had not begun life as a poet.  In his youth he was an artist.  In 1923 he went to Paris and studied art.  But on his return to China he immediately became caught up in the civil war.  He was arrested in Shanghai by the Nationalists and jailed for three years and so for three years that he was unable to paint and it was in jail that he began to write poetry.  "I often thought of my father,"  Weiwei said, "as I sat there day after day, and I thought how he had made something of his time inside – how he had turned it into art.  And I thought this experience so extraordinary, that if ever I get out of here alive, I will make it into a play."

Weiwei is an internationally renowned artist, a world-class architect and a gifted writer but for all his multifarious talents he is not a playwright.   And I am not a playwright either (I did attempt to turn what had now become the book 'Hanging Man' into a play but the finished product lacked any breath of life at all).  But the material in 'Hanging Man' was so obviously dramatic that something had to be done with it.  I decided to approach Ben Hall for advice.  Ben is a literary agent at Curtis Brown.  He advised me to write to the artistic directors of The National, The Royal Court and The Hampstead Theatre. The National and the Royal Court offered some development time but after my first attempt at playwriting I thought that if I accepted either of their offers, all I would do was squander the material that in the hands of a proper playwright could be turned into something brilliant. 

It was then the Greg Ripley-Duggan and Edward Hall of Hampstead Theatre stepped in.  They both liked 'Hanging Man', or more specifically they agreed that Weiwei's account was perfectly suited for adaption to the stage.  And they had another idea: they wanted to get Howard Brenton to write the adaption.  Howard Brenton's background made him the ideal candidate.  Not only is he one of the most highly regarded playwrights in the country, but throughout his career he has often written about the themes of revolution and failed revolution, and about the dilemmas faced by the individual when he or she is confronted by overweening power.  Furthermore, over the last decade, Howard Brenton has added another string to his bow: he was one of the main writers for Spooks, the highly acclaimed BBC series about the netherworld of Intelligence.  Dramatising the nightmare of a prolonged interrogation at the hands of secret police would not be so alien to him.

Howard has a longstanding interest in China and an interest in Ai Weiwei, and he immediately saw how it could be done.  We met in Greg's office and when Howard described how he intended to use the material, I was taught a lesson in playwriting:  'Of course…' I thought to myself '…That's why my version was a failure.  That's what needed to be done.  That's why he's a great playwright and I never will be.'

Howard set to work.  Mid-way through the process he was mulling over how best to portray the party cadres; the men in Mao suits who run China from behind the walls of Zhongnanhai; the grey men who argued over, and ultimately decided, Ai Weiwei's fate.  By chance, Jeremy Page, the political correspondent for The Wall Street Journal in Beijing, was coming through London.  In the world of China-watching Jeremy is famous as the journalist who broke the story that connected Bo Xilai, the former Mayor of Chongqing, and his wife to the murder of Neil Heywood, a British businessman.  Bo Xilai now languishes in jail, and Jeremy's revelations rocked the upper echelons of the Communist Party.  There are few people in the world better informed about the way the upper echelons of the Communist Party go about their business.  We met in Soho and spent an evening discussing what must have gone on behind the scenes in Zhongnanhai, the Communist Party Headquarters, as the different factions argued over the fate of the imprisoned Ai Weiwei.

By January the play was ready.  Greg and Edward set about trying to find a director and a cast.  From the start they knew exactly who they needed.  Given the short notice, it seemed inconceivable that they would be anything other than disappointed.  But good fortune prevailed: James Macdonald, the acclaimed director and Ashley Martin Davis, the prodigiously talented designer were prepared to rework their schedules to make sure they could take on the play.  So now we had the makings of a team.  At the beginning of February, we all got together for lunch in a café near Hampstead theatre. 

The meeting was very informal and for Howard Brenton, James Macdonald and Ashley Martin Davis it was entirely normal - the usual meet-up that takes place at the beginning of a project.  For me it was a revelation.  These three people, all at the top of their chosen professions, brainstorming together.  It epitomizes what distinguishes the theatre from many other art forms.  With a book, or a painting, it is one person in a room; with a play it is the combined knowledge and talents of a whole team of people.  It is a different kind of alchemy and it relies on so many people all being on their mettle.   It's no good having the best script in the world if the director isn't up to the job, and it's no good having the best director if the lead actor is having a bad day.  But when you get the right team of motivated people and it works, theatre can affect us in a very fundamental way.  As Howard Brenton likes to say, theatre 'bangs the pipes' in a way that book writing or painting doesn't.  It's coming from somewhere older, somewhere deeper-down. 

And as I listened to them talking I admit I also felt a deep sense of relief, as if a burden had been lifted from my shoulders.  Here was proof that there is a kind of Republic of Letters at work.  A plan hatched in Weiwei's house, as we had sat and talked late into the night surrounded by police - a plan to tell the story of what is really happening in China - was being realised two years later and thousands of miles away in small café in the leafy suburbs of Hampstead.  Even the world's most powerful totalitarian regime, committed as it is to the suppression of freedom of expression, will never succeed against opposition as hydra-headed and determined as this.   When you attack free speech and when you attempt to prohibit the freedom of artistic expression you will suddenly find that you have made yourself an awful lot of very motivated enemies: every actor in the world, every director and writer and producer, every magazine editor and stagehand, is prepared to stand up and be counted. 

Hampstead Theatre is experiencing something of a renaissance at the moment; within the theatre world it is acknowledged as something of a 'hit-factory'.  We are very lucky because these mini-epochs of creativity don't last forever.  Greg and Edward have an energy and a vision; they are prepared to try out daring and original material and because of their growing reputations it means they can draw the best people in theatre to Hampstead, whilst many other theatres of equal size do not have this pull.  And they are lucky in turn, because they are one half of a contract; they are supported by an audience of regulars who are engaged with what is going on in the world and who want something new and who show their support in the most significant way possible:  by choosing to spend their hard won evenings enjoying Hampstead Theatre's latest work.



是什么诱惑使得五个男人为了一个女人茶不思饭不想?误投黑帮的女匪面对五个男人的纠缠如何脱身?半夜被绑架的弱女子为何主动配合黑帮?黑 帮小喽罗为何不做老大而要去当警官?去《老妈蹄花》找谜底: http://j.mp/lmth http://j.mp/lmth2 http://j.mp/wllmth

推特 Twitter 订阅者数增量分析 130417

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pi 草 @ifoo4 2013-04-17 21:33:19 UTC
@lihlii @liudimouse @kilometrekm 老鼠才fo了430个人啊,封闭自恋

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-17 21:41:28 UTC
@ifoo4 阴沟鼠 @liudimouse 的佛数也是假的,绝大部分是共匪机器五毛狗给它充数,每天增长数量基本恒定。看分析 http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2012/08/twitter.html http://goo.gl/iXrrU

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是什么诱惑使得五个男人为了一个女人茶不思饭不想?误投黑帮的女匪面对五个男人的纠缠如何脱身?半夜被绑架的弱女子为何主动配合黑帮?黑 帮小喽罗为何不做老大而要去当警官?去《老妈蹄花》找谜底: http://j.mp/lmth http://j.mp/lmth2 http://j.mp/wllmth

共匪网狗特务 @mynte 系列马甲泼粪 @aiww

凡尘一石 @windixu 2013-04-15 23:41:59 UTC
???RT @afishinpeace: 艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无度。你们崇 拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

周成 @azurewood 2013-04-16 00:18:56 UTC
囧"@afishinpeace: 艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无度。你们崇 拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。"

艾未未 Ai Weiwei @aiww 2013-04-16 22:42:36 UTC
名字错了。 RT @roydandan: RT @afishinpeace艾未未妻子路清:他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风写生找灵感,借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢是烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他无非是那些所谓的艺术。他兽性的幌子

胡荻 @iamhudi 2013-04-16 22:49:06 UTC
故事编的太没水准了。叫你们编导重写@aiww:  名字错了。@roydandan: @afishinpeace艾未未妻子路清:他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风写生找灵感,借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢是烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他无非是那些所谓的艺术。他兽性的幌子

艾未未 Ai Weiwei @aiww 2013-04-16 22:56:34 UTC
提到习 @iamhudi: 故事编的太没水准了。叫你们编导重写@aiww:  名字错了。@roydandan: @afishinpeace艾未未妻子路清:他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风写生找灵感,借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢是烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧

邓昊 @denghao_ 2013-04-17 02:10:16 UTC
扣午贸 RT @aiww: 名字错了。 RT @roydandan: RT @afishinpeace艾未未妻子路清:他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风写生找灵感,借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢是烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他无非是那些所谓的艺术。他兽性的幌子

立里 @lihlii2 2013-04-17 06:58:15 UTC
https://twitter.com/afishinpeace/status/324411918741827584 这个共匪网狗特务是 @mynte 系列马甲之一 http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2013/04/mynte.html @aiww @iamhudi @roydandan @denghao_

立里 @lihlii2 2013-04-17 07:00:33 UTC
共匪网狗特务 @mynte 系列马甲证据,它还注册了个 @guangwudiliuxiu 改昵称骂我呢 http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2012/05/mynte.html http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2013/03/renee339_31.html @aiww @iamhudi @roydandan @denghao_

立里 @lihlii2 2013-04-17 07:07:19 UTC
这个共匪网狗特务 @mynte 还专门来荷兰踩点。;) 它还将2个马甲 @lihliimaitamabi @maitamabilihlii 专门改成骂我的意思,可见已经黔驴技穷发狂了。;) @aiww @iamhudi @roydandan @denghao_

立里 @lihlii2 2013-04-17 07:09:20 UTC
说明是政改希望。;) RT @aiww 提到习 @iamhudi @roydandan @afishinpeace

立里 @lihlii2 2013-04-17 07:10:41 UTC
共匪特务 @mynte 泼粪 https://twitter.com/lihliimaitamabi/status/324254628147523584 https://twitter.com/xiexuee6/status/324100046150856704 https://twitter.com/maitamabilihlii/status/323642344735907840 https://twitter.com/myntee8/status/317229839197282305 @aiww @iamhudi @denghao_

立里 @lihlii2 2013-04-17 07:13:47 UTC
推特五毛狗泛滥成灾 如何打狗 http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2012/05/blog-post_17.html @aiww @iamhudi @denghao_ @zuola @suyutong @duyanpili @felixonmars @chenshaoju @wuyoulan


Emma @myntee8 2013-03-28 11:01:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-10 00:49:01 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-10 10:42:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-10 20:35:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

谢雪揭露卖它妈逼推霸立里团伙 @lihliimaitamabi 2013-04-11 06:32:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-11 16:28:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-12 02:21:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

谢雪揭露卖它妈逼推霸立里团伙 @lihliimaitamabi 2013-04-12 12:15:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

谢雪揭露卖它妈逼推霸立里团伙 @lihliimaitamabi 2013-04-12 22:21:01 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

谢雪揭露卖它妈逼推霸立里团伙 @lihliimaitamabi 2013-04-13 08:21:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

谢雪揭露卖它妈逼推霸立里团伙 @lihliimaitamabi 2013-04-13 18:15:01 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-14 08:00:04 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-14 17:49:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

艾曼妞彻底揭露推特黑号团伙 @maitamabilihlii 2013-04-15 03:42:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

婷婷 @afishinpeace 2013-04-15 13:40:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

婷婷 @afishinpeace 2013-04-15 23:40:01 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

陶炉石 @wuhan1946114 2013-04-17 02:17:57 UTC
@afishinpeace艾未未妻子路清:他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风写生找灵感,借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢是烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的 荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他无非是那些所谓的艺术。他兽性的幌子。——如若是事实,此人的道德水准必须受到质疑,将其视为艺术公知、异议公知则大有疑 问。

婷婷 @afishinpeace 2013-04-17 06:40:03 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

秀秀 @xiexuee6 2013-04-16 10:00:47 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

Roy @roydandan 2013-04-16 16:45:15 UTC 对话
RT @afishinpeace艾未未妻子路清:他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风写生找灵感,借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢是烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他无非是那些所谓的艺术。他兽性的幌子。@aiww @denghao_ @nytchinese @azurewood

谢雪揭露卖它妈逼推霸立里团伙 @lihliimaitamabi 2013-04-16 20:15:02 UTC
艾未未妻子路清,他的失踪在我的生活里习以为常。采风、写生、找灵感,只要你能想到的借口他都用遍了,可是事实呢?烂​赌、宿醉、彻夜的荒淫无 度。你们崇拜他追捧他,为了​什么?无非是那些所谓的艺术。艺术!永远是他的借口是他兽性的幌子。

盛行西医的西欧也没有盲目排斥中医,而是努力寻找用现代科学解释中医理论的方法

小猴纸 @zzzqaz 2013-04-12 09:03:30 UTC
看到篇文章,来自美国化学会杂志http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ci3005513, 试图从化学基因角度解释中医和古印度医学的作用模式,作者来自剑桥大学。可以看到即使是盛行西医的西欧也没有盲目排斥中医,而是努力寻找用现代科 学解释中医理论的方法,再看看国内的很多人把中医贬的一无是处,令人思索

NaHCO3 @AngrySoda 2013-04-12 09:12:16 UTC
@zzzqaz 日本早就把小柴胡的药方分析透了

Allen @ss1271 2013-04-16 00:29:44 UTC
@zzzqaz 中医和中药是两码事。

空空 @hiempty 2013-04-16 01:42:02 UTC
中医中能用科学解释的部分就是医学,医学加上不能解释的那些神秘的糊涂的部分就是中医 RT @zzzqaz: 看到篇文章,来自美国化学会杂志http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ci3005513, 试图从化学基因角度解释中医和古印度医学的作用模式,作者来自剑桥大学。可以看到即使是盛行西医的西欧也

空空 @hiempty 2013-04-16 01:45:59 UTC
好比一道单选题 医学告诉你答案是A,中医告诉你答案是ABC RT @hiempty: 中医中能用科学解释的部分就是医学,医学加上不能解释的那些神秘的糊涂的部分就是中医 RT @zzzqaz: 看到篇文章,来自美国化学会杂志http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ci3005513, 试图从化学基

心磁 @Mike_ROC 2013-04-16 15:56:51 UTC
@zzzqaz 英文不好,但貌似作者只是說可以借由東洋醫學來協助預測化學藥物及作用蛋白質結構,我不贊成完全否定中醫,但是一種傳統文化,缺乏驗證試驗方法的話確實不 應被當作現代科學。

真正的科学态度是用科学方法去研究一切,而不是自命不凡地断言。参考:
  1. 怎么看待中医 http://lihliiposterous.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/25227193/ ;
  2. 欧美人也迷信"草药" http://lihlii.blogspot.com/2012/05/blog-post.html
  3. 中医在荷兰 http://www.rnw.nl/chinese/article/34309
  4. 荷兰诺贝尔奖得主物理学家如何对待特异功能 神迹灵异现象和科学的问题 http://lihliiposterous.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/25283541/;
  5. 科学和宗教的关系 科学主义和科学教徒致命的自负 http://lihlii.blogspot.com/2012/09/blog-post_27.html
  6. 从医药副作用的可怕后果理解反对轻率滥用转基因技术的理由 http://lihlii.blogspot.com/2012/09/blog-post_23.html

世界人权宣言抄写 将留言和手抄纸张的图片用电邮发送到 udhr1948.chaoxie@blogger.com 即可张贴到 http://udhrhw.blogspot.com ,或发送到 udhr1948+chaoxie@gmail.com 由管理员转发至两个博客。建议在邮件标题中写明你想公布的网络身份(如推特、微博帐号,电邮地址等)、昵称或姓名、以便于避免重复搜集发布。

2013年4月16日星期二

谷歌标志色也采用了自然色系NCS原色

谷歌标志色也采用了自然色系NCS[1]原色中的四种彩色:红、黄、蓝(青)、绿。其中蓝色是青色,天蓝色。这种搭配显得很亮丽。



推特的主题色也是青色,天蓝色,而不是美国国旗、台湾国民党国旗的那种深蓝色,显得温和些。

所以五色旗[2]我也建议规范为自然色系的六原色中的五个:赤、黄、青、白、黑,既体现印刷四原色加白纸可以表现五彩世界的言论和信仰自由的含 义,也显 得亮丽,色彩稳定,易于识别。


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Color_System
[2] 中华民国 国旗 国会徽 国徽 国歌 军旗 军歌 http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ROC-Symbols.html

是什么诱惑使得五个男人为了一个女人茶不思饭不想?误投黑帮的女匪面对五个男人的纠缠如何脱身?半夜被绑架的弱女子为何主动配合黑帮?黑 帮小喽罗为何不做老大而要去当警官?去《老妈蹄花》找谜底: http://j.mp/lmth http://j.mp/lmth2 http://j.mp/wllmth

民主社会对企业和资本的权力监督制衡 福利制度、国有和私有企业问题

莫法邪@提不起劲.jar @AngelSolo 2012-09-23 11:34:57 UTC
最后还是立即付了欠款和利息,花钱买教训啊 RT @AngelSolo: @lihlii @lutaotao @4585_5360 问题是没有收到其他任何信件就直接讨债了。跟学校的部门也扯不清,我说理他们不听。

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:51:03 UTC
以后遇到和政府机构、学校、大公司打交道,一定要尽量保留书面证据,电话询问也问清接待者和负责人姓名工号之类,以促使其说话负责,如果发生较大 争议时,也有证据可以寻求法律援助。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:51:47 UTC
洋奴常鼓吹洋人素质高,其实根本不是因为天生素质高,还是制度约束。有些荷兰大公司和政府部门办事错乱多和拖拉的恶习,也不是因为本性(荷兰人赚 钱时还是行动很迅速的哦),而是因为制度缺陷。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:53:33 UTC
荷兰本地人也经常受政府和大公司的欺负,所以有个电视节目和中共国的"消费者投诉热线"节目差不多,专门报道一些坑蒙拐骗的事情,从舆论监督角度 帮助被侵 权的用户。还经常和中共国记者一样,带着偷拍设备潜入骗子公司内部去采访。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:55:50 UTC
我前一个网络服务商 Telfort 总体上价格和质量还可以,提供的 modem 牌子好,用户配置灵活,但是我结束了合约,因为两点不满。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:56:17 UTC
一是一开始有电话线路问题,打电话去要求诊断时,他不主动给我免费电话,就在收费电话上每次都要说半个小时才行,前后收了我近100欧话费!而这 明明是他 们自己的技术故障。亏好我以前的电话费结余很多没用掉,但自己依然多付很多 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

莫法邪@提不起劲.jar @AngelSolo 2012-09-23 11:56:45 UTC
@lihlii @Lutaotao @4585_5360 我去,你怎么一说的确他们的制度挺杯具的,以前还没发现,还觉得是人的习性问题

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:58:09 UTC
二是,要转一个协议给朋友时,打电话,给的回答是在网上填表,填完表,又回信说我要打电话才能办理,打完电话说要写信,两地跑让朋友签名后寄了信 去等了约4周都没回音,再打电话问,居然说没收到! @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 11:59:25 UTC
于是我又通过邮寄收集朋友签名再写信去要求办理过户手续,给办理了,但却在收费上依然出错,按照我续约的不利条件办理,而不顾原先答应的打折新合 约的条 件,于是又打电话去罗嗦再三,答应给我更低折扣。烦死了气死人了。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:00:43 UTC
这个消费者维权节目很有威慑力。看它的广告也很有趣, http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1289620#00:31:28 一位女士去商店退新买的DVD播放器,但是忘带发票了,店员指着桌面上的条规说:你看,14日内凭发票退换,我不能帮你。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:00:53 UTC
你不要就当作礼物送给朋友吧。 然后那位女士说,那好吧,拿起装DVD携带来的纸袋,上面印着Radar 消费者维权节目的标志和文字;@AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:00:56 UTC
另一个店员看到后立刻慌了,怕是节目组来暗访了吧,赶紧使眼色暗示第一个店员,他立刻改口说:嗯,也许我们可以有其他办法帮 你解决。:D @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

莫法邪@提不起劲.jar @AngelSolo 2012-09-23 12:04:36 UTC
@lihlii @Lutaotao @4585_5360 Telfort 表面上很好,但是真心坑爹。之前我在荷兰的时候也遇到过,打了好多次电话,人家派人来修,结果随便整一下就回去了,收了几十欧还说原先就没问题。最坑爹的 就是每次在他们来的时候网就突然好了,走了立马卡死,我直接无语了

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:06:49 UTC
在任何地方,即便是民主和发达社会,依然有一条原则,对你有利的事情,还得你自己去努力争取维护,别人不会主动帮你;而对你不利的事情,对方一定 非常积极来找你的。;) @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:06:53 UTC
自由民主的政治制度也是公民奋力争取维护的结果,而不是政府官员当权者施舍来的。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

莫法邪@提不起劲.jar @AngelSolo 2012-09-23 12:10:53 UTC
的确 RT @lihlii: 在任何地方,即便是民主和发达社会,依然有一条原则,对你有利的事情,还得你自己去努力争取维护,别人不会主动帮你;而对你不利的事情,对方一定非常积极 来找你的。;) @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:17:08 UTC
所以一个健康的社会制度,需要民主选举的议会立法、民间社团、公共舆论三者配合才能同时维护多数和少数群体的利益不受侵害。 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:17:52 UTC
秦晖先生讲福利制度的讲座提到,http://goo.gl/kNSX9 民主政治下多数情况会导致有利于弱势群体的福利制度选择,这是因为罗尔斯所谓的"无知之幕",每个人不知道自己会不会成为弱势者而受害,所以支持 弱者@AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

lihlii @lihlii 2012-09-23 12:18:55 UTC
但也有不存在无知之幕的情况,比如外国人受欺负的情况,本国人是确切知道自己不会变成外国人的,就一般都不会去管,甚至帮着政府和公司欺负外国人 对自己更 有利。:) 这时民主立法、公共舆论都不一定起作用了,而要靠民间社团制衡 @AngelSolo @Lutaotao @4585_5360

吴乐宝 @MerlotN 2013-02-23 11:24:00 UTC
老外也会忽悠人,开银行账户的时候开的commonwealth的,大堂服务员给我忽悠他们是澳洲四大银行网点最多atm最多的,今天出去买东西 路上留意了下另外三家全看到没看到他们的网点ATM

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:28:03 UTC
@MerlotN 这种取样不足以说明问题呀。要拿统计数据。

吴乐宝 @MerlotN 2013-02-23 11:30:44 UTC
@lihlii 貌似是我选的路线 正好木有commenwealth

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:36:03 UTC
@MerlotN 洋人也会忽悠人这是对的。熟悉了欧美社会你会发现的。一开始我以为是行业协会和民众道德素质高所以这里的企业对客户服务好,后来才发现凡是那些被我赞叹为 好的服务内容的,都不是企业自发提供的,而是政府立法强制他们这么做的。不立法的话商人当然只想赚钱为上,才不会愿意呢!

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:37:16 UTC
@lihlii 比如手机换公司很方便带号码转网,这在荷兰是习惯成自然的事情,我以为是行业服务水准高而不用号码资源绑架客户试图垄断。后来才发现是议会立法强制电信企 业必须这么做的。 @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:42:30 UTC
@lihlii 如 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @zhoukecheng 被共匪极右派洗脑鼓吹什么市场解决一切的鬼话,是不知道市场的自由本身就是需要外力维护的经济学基本原理。哈耶克、弗里德曼在这伙人里就像马克思恩格斯在 共匪里。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:43:44 UTC
@lihlii 荷兰电视也有类似"315消费者权益投诉"电视节目,其中之一叫做 Radar ,还有其他的类似节目。里面都是些商人欺诈的各种狡猾手法。如果没有媒体监督,放任主义的市场会是什么样子,一目了然。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:44:49 UTC
@lihlii 放任主义的结果必然是弱者受害,而在市场交易中,消费者在很多时候都是弱者一方,因为信息不对称的问题。中国俗话叫做"只有错买的,没有错卖的"。:) @MerlotN @onedow @fufuji97 @liudimouse @zhoukecheng

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:46:36 UTC
@lihlii 还有一个政府立法干涉强制商业界遵守的条款,规范了市场自由秩序的例子,就是在荷兰更换网络服务商时,你不需要和前一个公司解除合同,只要和后一个公司订 合同并选择要他们帮你去解除旧合约并无缝转接,尽量缩短断网时间,一般都在一两小时之内。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:47:44 UTC
@lihlii 如果是放任主义的原则禁止政府干涉市场,会是怎样的情况?可想而知。这种规范是不利于公司寻求自我利益保护追求最大利润的动机的,所以企业行会也不会支持 建立这样的规范。而恰恰这种干涉是维护了市场自由竞争,保护消费者选择权。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:49:27 UTC
@lihlii 无论手机还是网络,如果你主动去取消合约,对方一定反复拖住你,用各种繁复的手续和理由来试图让你放弃换别家的愿望。而且即便有这样的法律规定,网络和手 机服务商还在耍花招,在网站上将如何更换服务商的方法隐藏在很难找到的位置, @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:50:52 UTC
@lihlii 更换网络服务商需要告知新的服务商前一个服务商的合约编号,这样新服务商可以帮你去解除合约并安排无缝转接。于是网络服务商为了阻挠用户离开,就将那个号 码故意隐藏,你非要点击多几次确认,才会显示这个号码。:) 这种小计谋无所不在。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:52:51 UTC
@lihlii 还有保险公司的所谓"小字条款"。在卖保险的时候吹得天花乱坠让你放心;等到需要赔付的时候,就拿出没有人能读懂和有空读的洋洋撒撒的藏在密密麻麻的小字 印刷的文字中的一段来拒绝赔付。而且这种小字条款还专门用难以阅读的淡色印刷纯属不想让人看 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:54:00 UTC
@lihlii 对这个大家极为痛恨的问题,放任主义是不可能解决的。荷兰议会于是提出立法动议,要求保险公司不得使用小字条款欺诈用户,在卖保险的广告中必须用简单明确 的文字说明赔付的例外情形。:) @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:55:51 UTC
@lihlii 还有一个例子是信用卡公司的软性广告欺诈。比如做广告鼓吹信用卡分期付款购买汽车、电器等等如何优惠。也是政府立法强制这些广告必须注明:借款会需要额外 花钱。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 11:56:37 UTC
@lihlii 于是你看到电视和户外广告,每条广告都挂着这条,就和"吸烟有害健康"的烟草广告一样。:) 因为不明白信用卡公司赚钱的高额利息秘诀而中计损失太多钱的人很多,所以政府必须加以干涉。这也是信息不对称使得市场失去自由秩序的例子。 @MerlotN @onedow

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 12:02:30 UTC
@lihlii 在荷兰连你家庭用电的供电企业也是可以自由选择,无缝更换的,老服务商有责任配合新服务商帮助你更换。都是类似的立法规范的结果。电网是很难更换的基础设 施,所以是国有公共设施,但供电企业是可以私营的,并自由竞争。 @MerlotN @onedow @galaxy001

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 12:04:29 UTC
@lihlii 所以民主社会主义和自由资本主义的结合,使得政府对市场的规范和干涉是起到维护市场自由秩序的作用,促进了自由竞争的同时,保护弱者不被伤害。 @MerlotN @onedow @galaxy001

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 12:06:52 UTC
@lihlii 鼓吹放任主义和无政府主义的极右派 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @zhoukecheng 有两大恶劣作用,一是如秦晖"左佣右佃"文章指出的右佃奴才,帮共匪推卸政府对人民该履行的责任。 @MerlotN @onedow @galaxy001

lihlii @lihlii 2013-02-23 12:08:53 UTC
@lihlii 极右派 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @zhoukecheng 第二大恶劣作用是和张五常一样,为无民主制约的资本家疯狂逐利掠夺工农血汗工厂的奴隶制经济提供理论支持,而且还反工会,反人民自治。 @MerlotN @onedow @galaxy001

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:22:50 UTC
@T_7 就时髦话题,蒋匪党国其实也就是撒切尔夫人喜欢的东西。她好在是个民主国家,要是在中共国,也就是个蒋宋美龄的专制角色。有那么多人还为其鼓吹,所谓经济 政策对英国有利的说法其实是罔顾事实。私有化根本没解决问题。 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:24:31 UTC
@T_7 英国铁路私有化,至今还是老样子,而且搞不好又要重新国有化,再让纳税人掏钱买单,好处让资本家赚足,烂摊子扔下来给纳税人买单。这就是所谓私有化万能的 放任主义经济政策的后果。 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:25:45 UTC
事实上铁路客运、邮政这类行业根本就具有事业性质,无法赚钱,因此无法用私有化来解决其亏本问题。日本、荷兰都因为铁路邮政亏损而实行私有化,结 果如今还 是没啥改进。荷兰邮政私有化以后被快递公司 TNT 收购, @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

集思 @T_7 2013-04-10 14:27:30 UTC
并不是什么行业都适合私有化的,公共服务行业最好不好私有化,最起码要留一个国有。其实我觉的中国邮政和私有快递公司并存这种方式挺好的,可以互 相对照 @lihlii @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:29:02 UTC
结果是砍掉了所有便宜的业务,只送快递,但速度还是不快。;) 砍掉了几乎所有的全职邮递员,全部用廉价的临时工,为了回避行业最低工资等法律障碍,将邮递员 postbode 职位改名为 postbezorger @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:30:21 UTC
改个名目大幅裁减工资,大面积采用兼职打工人员降低成本,结果呢?还是亏本,几乎年年邮费涨价也不解决问题。为啥呢?荷兰其实信件的使用频率比中 共国高得 多,公司、政府和你联系经常发邮件,按理说业务量比中共国邮政要好得多 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:31:55 UTC
但因为这种业务如果要赚钱,就必然无法照顾普及度,边远地区就没人愿意送,成本高而利润低;如果要维护良好业务网络,不只做利润高的业务类型,就 要以赚钱 的业务补贴不赚钱的业务而无法赚钱。所以荷兰邮政还是亏本, @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:32:41 UTC
说不定哪天又要国有化,一个包袱又扔给政府由纳税人买单。早知如此何必折腾呢?这就是迷信所谓市场万能,私营万能的后果,而不区分行业的不同特 点。 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:33:21 UTC
中共国出现"江浙沪包邮国",就是快递公司选择利润高成本低的地区递送的结果,而普及的邮政不能这么做。 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:35:54 UTC
而且私有化过程裁减下岗的邮递专业人员的生计就没人重视了,反而被看作是无能的人,吃福利的人,等等。这种私有化有什么可取之处呢?在荷兰,裁减 职员受到 工会抵制、法律的限制,情况比中共国要好得多了,但依然是问题。 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:36:33 UTC
而且邮递员非职业化导致的丢信问题也愈加严重。在中共国也是用了很多农民工临时工来送信,而丢信比例极高。在荷兰也逐渐发生这样的问题。我就遇到 过几次了。 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

青萝卜 @oiax 2013-04-10 14:37:41 UTC
@lihlii 我记得去年有一推曾说过,中国邮政这个怪物,随着专政结束必然消亡 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:38:03 UTC
屡次收到送错的信,而要麻烦我送回去。既然有别人的信错送到我这里,自然也难免有我的信错送到别人那里或者弄丢。那样就看别人是否能顾得上帮你送 回,如果 有重要的邮件就耽误了。邮递公司当然也不在乎你投诉,它做商业赚钱第一 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:38:57 UTC
他会告诉你说,你如果想要可靠递送,可以寄挂号信嘛,收信人要签收的,就安全了,我们有这个业务你可以用嘛。挂号信的价格,就是普通邮件的 5-10倍。 @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

easy lost @EeayLost 2013-04-10 14:43:23 UTC
@lihlii @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 信件邮寄业务本身邮局本身不赚钱的,就算是挂号信也不赚钱的。邮局能生存不是靠国家补贴这会事。报纸期刊的投送权和征订权才是他们收入主要来源,当然还包 括部分农村汇款。EMS业务也是赚钱的。

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:49:53 UTC
很多公用事业性质的行业是无法赚钱的,比如公共交通。如果能赚钱,就会使得其普及度下降,导致达不成公共交通的目的。在荷兰乘火车汽车,不是高峰 期的时 候,车厢里空空荡荡,但是车次还是得准时发。 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:53:12 UTC
比如半夜,每小时也有火车汽车一班。这显然是亏本生意,基本没几个人乘。但如果你不安排车次,那就等于失去了公交的意义,需要出行的人无法依靠公 交就必须 依靠私人交通,那不如买车了。叫出租也可以但太贵 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:54:32 UTC
我的总结是定点大客流量穿梭客运服务是适合私营的,因为可以赚钱。普通的公交是即便私营也要么亏本,要么就恶化服务质量来赚钱。荷兰的公交系统虽 然私营,但也拿政府补贴。 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:56:01 UTC
最近因为维护铁路的公司做事不得力,被国会批评了,被扣了一些政府补贴作为罚款。;P 否则,一个私营公司是否业务做得好,政府有什么权利去罚它的款呀?迷信市场万能的人会说,让市场淘汰它就得了。;) @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:56:36 UTC
可是,公交系统是个自然垄断的系统,不存在市场竞争的条件,至少是无法充分竞争的,所以即便是私营化也不能解决问题,政府还是要介入监管。 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:01:17 UTC
撒切尔夫人既然会支持杀人如麻的皮诺切特,自然也会喜欢蒋匪了。只要是镇压共产党的,镇压工会的,镇压社会主义者的,她都会支持。这种极右派又同 时鼓吹放 任主义经济,私有化,减少政府开支,实则欺负穷人 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:02:50 UTC
因为她和阿根廷打仗,可是花钱如流水,都是纳税人的钱,这时候,她就不叫减少政府开支了。里根也是同样一副德性,在其任内美国国债飞速增长。他搞 扩充军 备,都是大笔花钱,这时候倒是不叫小政府,裁减开支了。 @EeayLost @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:04:22 UTC
日本的小泉纯一郎也是同类货色,同样一面鼓吹私有化,减税减支,一面扩充军备,对海外派兵(这难道不要钱?!),参拜靖国神社。这类鼓吹"小政府 "的极右 派其实绝大部分相反都是激烈的政邦主义者, @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:05:42 UTC
倾向于精英专制,蔑视平民,在一定社会条件下,就是希特勒。你看推特上的恶极右派 @fufuji97 等,无一不是鼓吹反民主,还为皮诺切特杀人、=强制失踪的智利版"73条"积极狡辩。 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

LostAbaddon @LostAbaddon 2013-04-10 15:05:59 UTC
@lihlii @EeayLost @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 口号这种东西就和旗帜一样,需要的时候拿一面过来,能遮住要遮的,彰显想显的,就功德圆满了。这点不正是吾辈兲朝之熟技么?

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:07:38 UTC
所以好在英国有民主制度,虽然马岛战争撒切尔赢了,但她这个强人还是被赶下了台。强人政治确实是很危险的东西。我慢慢理解为啥荷兰人特别排斥强人 政治。 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:07:43 UTC
媒体对议会里的强硬派都喜欢故意出他们的丑,照片都专门选他们最丑的样子,虽然文字显得"理中客",但其实在处处下手丑化取笑他们。;) @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:08:45 UTC
以至于我刚到荷兰时看媒体总是嘲讽最强势的几个议员和部长,反而对他们生了怜悯心,觉得他们好可怜呀。哈哈哈。后来深入了解他们的政策主张,真是 怪不得惹人怒呢。 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

mimimaoer @mimimaoer 2013-04-10 15:10:06 UTC
RT @lostabaddon @lihlii @EeayLost @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 口号这种东西就和旗帜一样,需要的时候拿一面过来,能遮住要遮的,彰显想显的,就功德圆满了。这点不正是吾辈兲朝之熟技么?

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:15:23 UTC
许多人鼓吹里根、撒切尔打败了苏联。这是歪曲历史。事实上撒切尔79年上台,但79年中共国发生了什么?共匪已经走投无路,开始改革开放了! @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:16:13 UTC
苏联的戈尔巴乔夫在85年上台,也觉得共产帝国无法持续,而开始"改革和新思维"了。搞垮苏联的不是撒切尔和里根,而是共产制度内部的因素,以及 戈尔巴乔 夫的改革派。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:17:17 UTC
看看撒切尔所作所为: 撒切尔夫人在绝食发生时持强硬立场,一口坚拒恢复该批囚犯的政治犯待遇,并指"罪行就是罪行,无关政治。"(Crime is crime; it is not political)。

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:17:45 UTC
直到有9人因绝食而死,绝食活动最终因家属干预而结束后,撒切尔夫人才重新批准让该批囚犯得回部分政治犯应有的待遇。@fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:21:00 UTC
撒切尔反对福利制度,说是"不劳而获",而她自己呢?于1951年结婚。丹尼斯是一位富有的商人,因而有能力资助她修读法律课程并投考律师公会。 这不是不 劳而获吗? @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:22:04 UTC
看看撒切尔做了什么: 在1961年,她违背了保守党的主张,对恢复笞刑(用桦枝)投赞成票。支持酷刑。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

A Moment in Life @ratesmarket 2013-04-10 15:22:31 UTC
不一样吧,她反对的是动用公权力去资助,并没有反对私权的救济啊。@lihlii @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:31:34 UTC
撒切尔夫人投票反对废止死刑;反对简化离婚手续。取消向全国学校提供免费牛奶的政策。纵使有364名经济学家联名发表公开信,呼吁改变经济政策, 但撒切尔夫人依然故我。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:32:12 UTC
撒切尔动用警察镇压罢工:罢工期间,警察所采用的手法令人质疑有违公民自由之嫌,他们除了阻止罢工的支持者接近罢工矿场的范围之外,还与罢工矿工 的纠察队在约克郡欧格里夫(Orgreave)爆发了激烈的流血冲突。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 15:37:40 UTC
同样在1985年,由于不满撒切尔夫人削减教育经费,牛津大学异乎寻常地通过教员投票后决定不向她颁赠荣誉学位。而这个荣誉学位一向都是赠予曾在 该校受教的首相的。 @fufuji97

functionhanshu_java @functionhanshu 2013-04-10 15:46:21 UTC
@lihlii @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 说道英国的铁路,如果他当时没有私有化,现在高铁可能是遍布英国,这一私有化,谁也搞不起高铁,所以英国的铁路没有办法和现在欧洲大陆的比。

Sharon Chan @shanronchan 2013-04-10 15:49:00 UTC
@lihlii @fufuji97 @eeaylost @t_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 这是来自国家的福利?

functionhanshu_java @functionhanshu 2013-04-10 15:52:49 UTC
@lihlii @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 法国铁路就是公有的,在1930年后,私有的铁路面临汽车竞争,小的私有铁路公司出现了困难,法国决定把铁路公有化,这样一些偏僻小镇铁路不会被关掉,为 这些弱势者,没车人提供方便,铁路说白了就是为人民服务

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 16:44:48 UTC
@shanronchan 反正是不劳而获。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 16:45:57 UTC
@ratesmarket 她能嫁个有钱商人,就可以不劳而获了吗?她应该按照自己的原则,去打工赚钱再读书呀。和平民子弟一样。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

Sharon Chan @shanronchan 2013-04-10 16:46:06 UTC
@lihlii @fufuji97 @eeaylost @t_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 性质完全不同

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 16:46:41 UTC
@shanronchan 没有任何不同,反正不是自己赚的钱。 @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

Shi Chen @chenshi36 2013-04-10 17:22:04 UTC
@lihlii @ratesmarket @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 这逻辑太可笑了,就好比一个妇人政治上的立场是民主,但在家事事欺负耙耳朵老公,然后你去批评人家:看!她违背了她的民主原则在家搞独裁!

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 17:33:59 UTC
@chenshi36 可是撒切尔夫人并不喜欢民主,喜欢独裁专制的皮诺切特。;) 所以你举的例子不准确。而且她既然反对不劳而获,就该从自身做起。 @ratesmarket @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814

Shi Chen @chenshi36 2013-04-10 18:12:46 UTC
@lihlii @ratesmarket @fufuji97 @EeayLost @T_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 我例子并无问题,这无关她喜好,区别在于政事和家事,公共财政和家庭财政。在外我可以无功不受禄,在家我偏要赖父母爱人点钱花,这有问题?

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 18:15:51 UTC
@chenshi36 当然有问题,你花父母的钱也是不劳而获。

Shi Chen @chenshi36 2013-04-10 19:13:40 UTC
@lihlii 我觉得你还是混淆了政事和家事,并且把不劳而获的概念绝对化了。撒切尔夫人反对不劳而获也只是反对人们不劳就获得高社会福利,她也没有反对人们可以从家人 和亲戚朋友那里得到资助。反过来你也就不能用她受过家人资助去批评她在公共事物上反高福利而说的"不劳而获"的言论。

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 19:17:53 UTC
@chenshi36 你的意思是富人家庭的子女配偶有权不劳而获?

Shi Chen @chenshi36 2013-04-10 19:26:47 UTC
@lihlii 按照你的标准穷人家庭的子女配偶又何尝没有不劳而获?送宝马给子女老婆是不劳而获,送自行车就不是了?

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 19:39:05 UTC
@chenshi36 不劳而获的程度差别几千、几万倍吧。哈哈

Sharon Chan @shanronchan 2013-04-10 23:27:13 UTC
@lihlii @fufuji97 @eeaylost @t_7 @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814 小孩子都不劳而获,哈哈

ThisisRui @thisisrui 2013-04-15 04:44:49 UTC
澳洲邮政的快递太差劲,家里一直有人在,刚刚查询状态是无人收件。一年来收过的几个包裹中,家里有人在的情况下只顺利接到过一次,猪一样的服务 啊。。。

北风(温云超) @wenyunchao 2013-04-15 04:53:36 UTC
@thisisrui 我在纽约也碰到几次,怀疑是偷懒。

吴乐宝 @MerlotN 2013-04-15 04:55:58 UTC
@thisisrui 住公寓一般不会house 经常出这种状况

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 05:00:47 UTC
@MerlotN @thisisrui 公寓也会送到邻居家去。

ThisisRui @thisisrui 2013-04-15 08:38:53 UTC
@WLYeung @wenyunchao @lihlii @MerlotN 拿着打印的追踪纪录到邮局把快件取回来了,邮递员把门牌号搞错了。当场还有一个被投错换包裹的人。。。

吉软糖 @ruanji 2013-04-15 08:41:11 UTC
澳洲邮政没法和中国的顺丰快递相比 "@thisisrui: @WLYeung @wenyunchao @lihlii @MerlotN 拿着打印的追踪纪录到邮局把快件取回来了,邮递员把门牌号搞错了。当场还有一个被投错换包裹的人。。。"

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 08:49:10 UTC
@thisisrui 各国都在邮政系统中采用临时工的缘故。 @WLYeung @wenyunchao @MerlotN

JC Ding @cruelcat1230 2013-04-15 09:22:12 UTC
RT @liunian2012: RT @gongminyaoyao:  喉舌媒体也都密集报道过崔祥联、许志永、吕邦烈、姚秀荣、吴青、姚立法等人。要对比被主流接纳程度,现在微博的红人无人能出前述之右。那些人尚且逐步被 体制排斥到另一端,还没被体制清洗的人又何必攻击前行者"激进"呢?

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 09:24:50 UTC
@cruelcat1230 共匪也报道过艾未未、高智晟。高律师是司法部组织的律师辩论大赛十佳律师。 @liunian2012 @gongminyaoyao

C.A. Yeung @WLYeung 2013-04-15 09:56:00 UTC
@ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @lihlii @merlotn 澳洲现在的邮局都是以franchise 的方式判给私人经营的,很多经营商为了节省成本,故意找借口,不送包裹,让收信人自己到邮局取货,这是违反经营合约的行为,所以一定要投诉,不然 不会改善

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 09:59:25 UTC
https://twitter.com/lihlii/status/321991666829516800 又一个私有化市场化万能的反例。 @WLYeung @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN @fufuji97 @heqinglian @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:07:10 UTC
@WLYeung 向商人投诉他自己,有啥用呀。我觉得没啥用。;) 必须要有能制衡他的力量,比如竞争(而邮递业务有天然垄断性),比如国有企业的议会监督,比如对企业的舆论监督(投书媒体、消费者论坛) @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:09:30 UTC
@WLYeung 最近发现网上商店有些送货也免费很便宜,按照荷兰的人力、交通费价格,一个10公斤以下的包裹5欧不到的送货费是很便宜了。我网购奶粉,一桶11欧的东 西,还免送货费。 @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:10:28 UTC
@WLYeung 来送货的开着家庭小轿车,后座和行李箱里放满了货。车门上贴了不干胶的送货公司名字,而不是喷漆的标志,看起来像是打临工开自己的车送货的。 @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:11:14 UTC
@WLYeung 一个老人来送包裹,我也不好意思让他搬东西,自己下楼去搬上来的。我想快递公司想尽一切办法降低成本,和保持服务质量是会有冲突的。在中共国快递服务虽然 很便利,但也已发生这类抱怨。 @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:12:39 UTC
@WLYeung 如果是个人打零工的方式递送,我觉得有一种可能节约成本的方法,就是让上班族可以在固定路线上附带递送,下班回家的时候顺路送货赚点钱,但同时又节约了专 门递送的燃油费等交通开支。 @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:13:44 UTC
@WLYeung 而且上班族一般开车时车厢里都很空,很适合在回家路线上顺便送货,还可以因为送货的耽搁,错过高峰下班的交通堵塞。:) @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

C.A. Yeung @WLYeung 2013-04-15 10:15:52 UTC
一时冲忙没说清楚,应该先口头警告邮局经营商,然后到消费者委员会投诉,并通知邮政总局。不过依我经验,警告以后会有改善 "@lihlii: @WLYeung 向商人投诉他自己,有啥用呀。我觉得没啥用。@ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN"

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:18:57 UTC
@WLYeung 洋奴 @renee339 @niulehou 骂的支那猪在洋人的地盘,都是小心翼翼不想得罪人的,不大可能和洋人一样对公司、政府动不动投诉啥的。;) 我也是多一事不如少一事,得罪不起就绕道走。 @ruanji @thisisrui @MerlotN

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:21:14 UTC
@WLYeung 最近几年也许因为经济危机,以及极右民族主义政党乘机鼓吹排外,我感觉无论是商家还是政府办事员,对外国人的态度都差了好多,不像以前那么热情了,虽然也 没到中共国衙门给脸色看的程度。 @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @MerlotN

C.A. Yeung @WLYeung 2013-04-15 10:25:55 UTC
@lihlii @ruanji @thisisrui @wenyunchao @merlotn 其实我很怀念小时候澳洲的邮政服务:周一至周五,每天两次,周六早上一次,风雨不改。现在周一周五周六周日都不送信,其他三天只送一次。

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:30:01 UTC
@WLYeung 对的,私营化为了降低成本,从用户角度看不方便还不是太多,但最惨的是大量裁撤了邮递员。荷兰的快递公司TNT收购了国有邮政公司,把邮递员职位改个名称 大幅降低工资,大量运用临时工不停在招聘打零工的投递员,伴随的是送信可靠度极大地下降。 @thisisrui

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:32:42 UTC
@WLYeung 邮递公司不停在发广告招聘兼职投递员,可见它一直去缺人,但是缺的是便宜的人力,而却坚决不愿保持专制的邮递员。;) 私营公司想的首先是赚钱。如果大学私营化,必然也是大量采用兼职教师,因为很显然,没有课的时候我干嘛养着一群教师呀? @thisisrui

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:34:05 UTC
@WLYeung 在私营万能的迷思方面,许多人有误解,以为美国的"私立"大学是真正的私营公司的性质,实则相反,其实它是集体所有制,并非私营企业,而是民办事业单位, 并不赚钱,是非盈利机构。如果学校办成赚钱的,不会好。 @thisisrui @fufuji97 @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:34:50 UTC
@WLYeung 邮递公司不停在发广告招聘兼职投递员,可见它一直去缺人,但是缺的是便宜的人力,而却坚决不愿保持专职的邮递员。;) 私营公司想的首先是赚钱。如果大学私营化,必然也是大量采用兼职教师,因为很显然,没有课的时候我干嘛养着一群教师呀? @thisisrui

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:36:45 UTC
@WLYeung 右奴 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo 迷信小政府主义,认为事情都交给私营企业去做就肯定比政府好。他们没认识到根本问题在于绝对的权力绝对会腐败的原理,从来不局限于政府这种权力,大企业也 是一种权力,资本也是权力。关键在于要有监督制衡。

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:42:52 UTC
@WLYeung 荷兰虽然有较为完善的市场和法律制度,但对企业依然需要有消费者协会、媒体曝光台这类监督力量才能维持市场的自由秩序。比如荷兰电视也有类似中共国消费者 投诉栏目,其中一个叫做 Radar,都是些坑蒙拐骗的曝光 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:44:41 UTC
@WLYeung 企业和资本家也需要有力量来制约,其实这是很简单的道理,一是企业是很有行动力的组织化的力量,而消费者是散户,力量弱得多,所以再小的企业对顾客也形 成"店大欺客"的威胁; @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:45:46 UTC
@WLYeung 二是信息不对称的存在破坏了自由市场条件,也就是俗话说的"只有错买的,没有错卖的"。这是市场机制无法解决的,欺诈问题不可能通过市场淘汰来解决,那样 侵害总可以发生。所以各国都需要立法才能对保护消费者。 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:47:11 UTC
@WLYeung https://twitter.com/MerlotN/status/305276819215618050 这个对话提到荷兰的商业企业受到政府规范和舆论监督才保持自由市场的秩序。 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:49:30 UTC
@WLYeung https://twitter.com/AngelSolo/status/249834235022684160 这个对话也提到荷兰的私营企业缺乏监督会产生问题,以及洋人是否素质高导致"商业文化"优秀而市场秩序井然。 @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo @renee339 @niulehou

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:52:56 UTC
@WLYeung 最近欧洲许多国家发生的牛肉混有马肉的食品安全丑闻,最后追踪到产地是荷兰一家公司。这家公司的问题被媒体密集报道。电视访谈节目中该公司的负责人没见出 来说话,而是该公司的法律顾问在节目里接受提问,吞吞吐吐的。 @vosolo @Renee339 @niulehou

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:54:34 UTC
@WLYeung 在中共国很多人开玩笑说,马肉也可以吃呀,总比放毒好。在欧洲也有人有类似说法,混淆是非。事实问题是,该公司说自己并未订购马肉,但却是有马肉混入牛肉 制品,说明原料来源已经失控, @vosolo @Renee339 @niulehou

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:56:31 UTC
@WLYeung 无法确认来源的原料根本无法确认其符合卫生标准是安全的。政府监督部门说,因为原料品种都没法控制,谁能相信你的原料是经过检疫合格,不是病死或者有毒污 染的肉呢?所以这个问题其实很严重。 @vosolo @Renee339 @niulehou

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 10:57:17 UTC
@WLYeung 我觉得欧洲的食品标签立法还不够严格,不像日本的列出原料产地来源。应该立法规定标签包括各组分原料的来源厂商批次编号。 @vosolo @Renee339 @niulehou

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 12:04:33 UTC
不是和右奴的小政府论高度吻合吗?:) RT @Misstingfan: 去年看到一位饭友说某管理部门的官员谈,该官员说如果真的严厉打击地沟油,中国将有三分之一的人吃不起油 @chuhan @lhfy @ganxuming @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 12:05:37 UTC
市场会淘汰地沟油,政府强行干涉是破坏自由市场,导致"看不见的手"被看得见的手扼杀,最后大家都吃不到油。只有自私自利的贩卖地沟油,才能达到 利他 @Misstingfan @chuhan @lhfy @ganxuming @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-15 12:06:54 UTC
以前就是因为中共政府管得太多,所以大家没油吃,还要凭票配给供应;如今不管了,油反而多得吃不完;地沟油是坏现象,但也是政府管得太多导致。 @Misstingfan @chuhan @lhfy @ganxuming @fufuji97 @liudimouse @vosolo

什么标志代表台湾?

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 13:34:29 UTC
@badiucao 蒋匪党国国旗,从未经过台湾人民选择。

巴丢草 @badiucao 2013-04-10 13:37:12 UTC
@lihlii 好吧,我本来也想画绿营的旗帜,看了半天木有想出来,我在琢磨琢磨

知史贵察变=知屎贵察变 @5miser 2013-04-10 13:42:14 UTC
一个十字,中间是个台湾 RT @badiucao好吧,我本来也想画绿营的旗帜,看了半天木有想出来,我在琢磨琢磨@lihlii

巴丢草 @badiucao 2013-04-10 13:46:13 UTC
@5miser @lihlii 旗帜是怎么样我也知道。。。但问题是怎么和读书的意向结合起来,向青天白日红的话正好把红桌面上摊开一本书,但是绿十字怎么引申出来呢。。。想。。。

知史贵察变=知屎贵察变 @5miser 2013-04-10 13:50:40 UTC
这个很好办啊,民进党旗帜上的台湾上画个课本:引申为台湾标榜中华文化文明的正统继承者,与世界文化和普世价值的结合,至于书你要选什么字,那片 语言,你好好想想吧 @badiucao @lihlii

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 13:52:16 UTC
@5miser @badiucao 你为啥不是读蒋匪就一定要民进党的政党色彩塞进小朋友脑子里呢?这是什么坏习惯?党化教育?

知史贵察变=知屎贵察变 @5miser 2013-04-10 13:57:02 UTC
看样子历历不希望台湾独立啊 ,哈哈 @lihlii 你为啥不是读蒋匪就一定要民进党的政党色彩塞进小朋友脑子里呢?这是什么坏习惯?党化教育?@badiucao

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:16:22 UTC
@5miser 至于民进党我认为比蒋匪好得多,是正常的政党,而蒋匪是黑帮。但民进党再好也只是个政党而已,不能代表台湾,只能代表台湾一部分人。 @badiucao

lihlii @lihlii 2013-04-10 14:17:23 UTC
@5miser 蒋匪的党国旗我看得非常难受,估计很多台湾人也会很厌恶。是一面杀人旗。 @badiucao @liuxin814

集思 @T_7 2013-04-10 14:20:27 UTC
满地血红再淡点会稍好 @lihlii @5miser @badiucao @liuxin814


王昊轩 @wanghaoxuan 2013-04-14 10:33:43 UTC
何清涟现在开始满地打滚耍流氓了,我就是要支持南方系和韩寒诈骗团伙。韩寒代笔有证据没?方舟子说的你也信?你们谁指责我,谁就是干涉我的自由, 我就要拉 黑谁。真他妈的恶心。中国许多所谓的自由主义公知,凑近了一看和共产党没啥区别。顺我者有思想,逆我者五毛党。民主自由变成流氓骗子的避难所了。

expose4u @Expose4u 2013-04-14 11:04:33 UTC
@wanghaoxuan 笑死我啦,哈哈哈! @lihlii @liumangyan

土狼 @tmzg99 2013-04-14 11:12:33 UTC
@wanghaoxuan 有同感

天天海豚 @leewua99 2013-04-15 04:27:32 UTC
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