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但周舵他又否认这有不好的影响。这是所谓知识分子学者吗？对共匪没有好处它和你交换个屁？对共匪镇压64后欺诈百姓有好处的事 情，做了这样的事情能说是没有坏处？这是自欺欺人到何等程度？可谓明知故犯的自供状！证明他们是有意识地卖身求饶！
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周舵亲口承认是他自己主动向共匪提出四人上电视作证天安门广场没有死人，以交换对四人免于惩罚.mp4
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四君子挺侯德建，齊踢爆支聯會謊言
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在 1989年 6月 4日跟學生留守到最後一刻的絕食四君子, 並沒有像學運領袖、支聯會李卓人走佬，四君子留到最後和軍方談判, 成功帶學生和平撤離天安門廣場, 他們都以對得住歷史、對得住良知的態度講出真相, 就是在當日的廣場範圍內無見到有人死, 無學生被坦克輾斃。
這個天安門廣場大屠殺 3000學生的世紀大謊是由香港支聯會和當年的民運人士和美國之音等人散播, 當時成功令全球人相信, 包括中國的人民, 信了謠言的全國人民亦在其後作出過激的反應, 結果就是死於謠言。
請各正義之士, 齊齊譴責造謠人士, 請抵制香港支聯會。
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Top Comments其实肯定有死人，但是不会那么多。坦克压死人的说法肯定是假的。应该是他们根据第二天有人挡坦克来发挥的，而那个挡坦克的人也真的挡住了坦克，坦克左 掉头右转弯，就是没有压过去。我觉得怪只怪共产党不愿担责任，不愿意真正透明的调查这件事，殊不知，反而让自己承担了更大的莫须有的罪责
Davidjianzheliu 4 months ago 25
搞民运的这些人都挺恶心的 只有个别非常单纯的人 像侯建德 确实像个不爱撒谎的人
eastwoodcos1 6 months ago 13
davidjianzeliu: 坦克不但在当天在六部口追压学生队伍压死伤残多人，活人证人就是方政，而且还很可能在广场上4:00左右熄灭灯光期间冲倒民主女神像时就压死了帐篷里的学 生。请参考吴仁华先生的著作《天安门血腥清场内幕》详细记录。
@eastwoodcos1 侯德健撒谎太大了。所以周舵，刘晓波要竭力抵赖，否认他们为共匪做伪证的事实。
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@blacktigertheone 柴玲开的坦克？你看了刘晓波，高新拉学生去广场的录像吗？:)
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majiade111 4 days ago
事實就係事實唔係幫中共啲乜嘢！
MarvelXMarvin 6 days ago
真的不理你們這些所謂知識份子了,沒有六四,中共又會變好了嗎？
真是無謂的空談
whatsupar 1 week ago
我同意你扩大筛子只说。我想说的是根据我看到的国内网络现状（仅代表我自己所看到的），能沉淀下来的理性少之又少。网络戾气太重，双方动辄互 扣帽子，没有理性的氛围。而且现在"民主自由"派占据网络主流，甚至形成了话语霸权，今天还在另一个评论里被人骂 傻逼五毛党呢。所以我认为的现状不是急于扩大筛子，而是让大家都首先扩大筛子的共识，说实话以前我的脑子里想到就是这个体制不好，这个国家没自由，但 是我就这样慢慢被五毛了。
296072933 3 weeks ago
@296072933 国人在网上是太不尊重人了，我也是没少被骂脏话，但是我觉得这跟极端关系不是太大，"中国特色"的原因有吧，一是其他表达方式太少，二是现代生活压力 大，大家都有点冲，三是学校是真没怎么教个人教养方面的的东西等等吧。 我觉得真要在现实生活中不同观点人辩论绝对不这样，另一方面可以看出大家还是很期待进步或变化的，这个是很正面的。 我劝一句，网上骂人都不知道骂的是什么人，不要把那些东西个人化
MrNormanHuang 3 weeks ago
真相大白了.
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YeyinQ 1 month ago
那个档坦克的视频后面部分是这样的——穿"白衬衫"的小子挡 ，坦克转，再挡，再转，坦克停，白衬衫爬到坦克上面，行人出，劝说，骑自行车人出，再劝说，白衬衫被劝下，众人离去，，，
3728111 1 month ago
无论同意是否，我们是需要刘晓波这种人的，敢于坚持自己，置国家利益于最高，庇护这个国家
MrNormanHuang 2 months ago 3
@MrNormanHuang 请问关于他的"中国应该再被西方殖民300年"一说，您是如何看的。
296072933 1 month ago
@296072933 我不觉得他如果有权利后，会这么做，这是一种绝望吧，想想近代中国历史，我们的社会和历代政府如此的不能容忍不同意见者，以至于孙中山要找日本来帮助 推翻中国，甚至接受连袁世凯都不敢接受的二十一条，蒋介石要依靠当时的苏联，而后美国来建立自己的政权，毛泽东要通过苏联来推翻当时的国民 党，听命于莫斯科，这些都是不同意见者，改革者的绝望的体现，就像现在，大部分的不同意见者都在国外，大部分在美国，并不是说他们都希望美国 干涉中国，或占领中国。 他们中的很多人想要一个途径去表达，去实现抱负，但所有的路都被封了，他们只能用外部的侵略势力，这是我们自己的悲哀
MrNormanHuang 4 weeks ago
@MrNormanHuang 如果你认为中国人从近代以来就不能容忍不同意见，那么你凭什么相信他就不一样？GCD得天下之前不也喊民主自由吗？照您的逻辑那这人和历代反对者有什 么不同呢。他们这类人为了自己私利引来外敌，外敌的介入历来是引来战争，战争受苦的当然是老百姓，他们口口声声说为了人民，那么把人民绑架在 战争上面是为了什么呢？他们又凭什么把自己喜欢的思想及政治制度强加于其他人呢？如果你经常混迹大陆网络，应该清楚天天喊着民主自由的那帮公 知精英是什么嘴脸吧，普通老百姓又凭什么要相信这些人能带来积极的改变呢，换汤不换药又有什么意思。顺便说一句，二十一条是袁世凯在1915 年承认的。
296072933 4 weeks ago
@296072933 袁世凯并未承认全部的二十一条，因为其中有些条款过于卖国，但是孙中山有明确的表示过接受所有条款； 我不相信异见人士得权之后一定会向他们之前所表示的那样，也没有表示过他们在这点上会不一样； 但是我相信，最终让事情变得不一样的，一定是如他们那样勇敢的，理想主义的人； 我所赞同的是像他们那样在压迫的情况下，仍坚持自我，为整个国家前途着想的人； 我非常不赞同您关于他们"为了自己私利引来外敌的说法"， 我想孙中山在构思通过日本成立新政权，一定想过个人私利的，但是那觉得不是他的根本动机，毛泽东也一样； 也许是权利之路过于艰难，也许是权利本身过于诱惑人，他们变节了自己的初衷； 但是无论孙中山，毛泽东或者蒋介石如何的错，他们的努力整体上带来的正面的变化；即使不知道他们是否能够带来正面的变化，我们不够支持那些愿意牺牲自 我带来变化的人吗，不该给予他们可以努力的空间吗？ 毕竟他们给人民带来了一个新的选项，但他们有自由那么做的时候，人民也就同时的获得了选择的自由
MrNormanHuang 4 weeks ago
@MrNormanHuang 但是袁世凯做了，孙中山没有真正付诸行动，不管什么原因。理想主义要是脱离实际就是没用。刘晓波个人我还是比较佩服的，至少在广场上敢作敢当，比绝大 多数人要强多了，但是他却脱离中国的现状，要把一些小众思想强加给大众，放在未来也许可以，但是放在当前坐了牢也是活该，真为国人着想就应该 给一些切合实际的建议，现在中国要的是平稳的发展。他偏偏说中国一定要怎样怎样，绑架大家接受他的思想，这不是为私利是为什么？你要说空间， 其实现在中国大陆确实是在慢慢开放，不然不会等他搞个宪章以后再抓他，他主张完全颠覆现有政治体制，执政者脑残了才会让他说。你在美国说说颠 覆美国现有政体试试？而且现在西方整体都在面临着危机，而实质就是人的堕落与自私，当西方人越来越懒，不愿劳动，就知道借钱过日子，总有一 天会崩塌，这是人类的共性，无关乎任何体制，而我认为咱们中国该走的路就是要总结西方政治体制弊端的经验来走出一条更为稳健的路。同样我认为 的自由同时伴随的是义务，个人的自由不应侵犯别人的自由，也要为自己的自由行为负责。如果不知道有没有正面变化，那我为什么要选择不清晰的改 变呢？
296072933 4 weeks ago
@296072933 袁世凯自始至终没有承认所有的二十一条； 我不觉得努力的启发他人是一种绑架他人思想； 虽然在现阶段无生存空间的状态下，他的思想很极端，我也不认同，我认同的是他的这种不惧压迫敢于为国家的更好更强而发声的行为和精神；我相信您和我也 具备为国家发声的特质，但不能确信我们之中的任何一个能在生命受威胁的情况下那么做。 我不认同的他的思想，我比较认同您的在现行基础上进行改革，而不是像他想的那样把所有破坏光然后再重建。但是我愿意在互敬互重的情况下，和他交流，辩 论，通过各自传播自己的思想从而让民众选择的方式斗争，而不是通过权利迫害他，封锁他，攻击他个人而非他的思想等不健康的方式 。 我觉得我与您的认知差别在于，我愿意以变化的观点来看等待现在的中国，在全民义务教育，大学教育平民化，互联网的普及和基本生活得到保障的情况下，我 们的社会已经出现了，任何一个国家发生和平民主化变革的基本条件，Intelligence Redistribution, 管理国家的人不再完全掌握信息和知识的解读能力，民众的辩知能力已经形成； 另一个差别是对于一个稳定的中国的定义，（未完待续）
MrNormanHuang 4 weeks ago
@MrNormanHuang 中国历史上并不是不能容忍异见的国家，暴君除外。我们的观点最大的差异在于我比较实际，您更着眼于未来。我的观点是未来不管怎样，由那时候的人民来决 定，而我们现在要做的是遏制破坏中国良性改革的行为。您所指出的这些条件确确实实已经表现出来，但这真的不是全部的中国，我们还有8亿农民， 还有很多人生活都还没有得到保障，大学生比例占实际比例还真的不高，我坚持认为大陆的网络民意不能完全呈现真实的民意，要知道，目前网民就算 是6亿，还有7亿人不上网，网民所想的真的不一定是其他人就想的。再者因为人民平均素质不高，网络上非黑即白的二元思维模式盛行，动辄扣帽 子，根本没有形成一个良好的辩论环境，在这种情况下，一些极端思想（包括极左极右）会被扼杀，这是情有可原的。这也是我所认为的在当前情况 下我们应该更现实点想问题，怎样让我们的社会以最低的代价走向一个绝大部分人都满意的未来。
296072933 3 weeks ago
@296072933 有时候我们吧特定时间出现的特定条件，我们称之为"历史契机"。 南宋科技上出现的繁荣给予中国发生工业革命的条件是个契机，郑和下西洋给予中国成为全球性大国的条件也是契机，清末新政给予中国走上君主立宪之路的条 件也是契机，而这些中国都没有把握。 现在又是个契机，是个可以在现行体制下争取更多自由空间，发展空间的契机。在最近网上的大辩论中，我们可以发现无论有多少极左的或极右的思想，在辩论 后，沉淀下来的都是较理性，符合大众利益的。 多一点的自由，多一点的空间，多一点的交流是最好的筛子。我觉得政府的思维过多的集中在把这个筛子堵上，把所有东西都隔在上面，大家就这么不知就里的 过下去，可是我认为，我们该做的应该是把这个筛子功能扩大，用在更多的地方
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@296072933 我觉得一个稳定的中国并不是一个没有异见的，没有斗争的，而应该是一个鼓励异见，鼓励个人斗争，拥有开放的体制能够和平的消化这些矛盾，注意不是消 除。 我一直相信矛盾是社会进步的根本动力，所有个人与个人的，个人与部分人的，个人与其他整体的，部分人与部分人的，或之中任何和客观世界的矛盾冲突，往 往是社会前行的根本原因，矛盾本身是方向，解决这个矛盾是动力； 我希望看到的中国是，不断出现矛盾，但是总能和平的消化它们。 愚见，见笑
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296072933 3 weeks ago
我只希望所有人可以正視歷史，全面地評價一個政黨的好與壞。中共爲了維護政權，必定會採取一定的行為，這一點，無論在哪一個國家都會發生，包 括自稱人權高於主權的美國。所以孰是孰非，只能由歷史來見證。中共在中國的政權建立僅僅60多年，沒有足夠經驗，難免會繞彎路，犯錯誤，所以 懇請國際以寬容的眼光來看待這麼一個政黨。
LeungAndre 2 months ago 2
習慣封閉資訊的國家是[神X的角度]
Helgagaist 4 months ago
其实肯定有死人，但是不会那么多。坦克压死人的说法肯定是假的。应该是他们根据第二天有人挡坦克来发挥的，而那个挡坦克的人也真的挡住了坦 克，坦克左掉头右转弯，就是没有压过去。我觉得怪只怪共产党不愿担责任，不愿意真正透明的调查这件事，殊不知，反而让自己承担了更大的莫须有 的罪责
Davidjianzheliu 4 months ago 24
@Davidjianzheliu 说的好。中共成了民愤的替罪羊
lettucegeng 3 months ago
@Davidjianzheliu 中国政府和谐掉64的原因，就是有台湾人，美国人和那时候的香港人在哪里撒谎，说4000个人死在了广场上，中共当然也给了一个说法，天安门广场上没 死人，但是离天安门不远发生了冲突死了三百多人包括解放军（特别令我恶心的就是，这群反政府的，只说死了多少多少学生，他妈的那些军人也是人 啊，你们为什么就不说说他们呢？应为在你们眼里他们不是人？什么狗屁道理！）我个人觉得政府的比较可信。
dondanyi 2 months ago 2
@Davidjianzheliu 坦克不但在当天在六部口追压学生队伍压死伤残多人，活人证人就是方政，而且还很可能在广场上4:00左右熄灭灯光期间冲倒民主女神像时就压死了帐篷里 的学生。请参考吴仁华先生的著作《天安门血腥清场内幕》详细记录。
lihlii64 1 minute ago
哈哈哈哈,相信"屠杀"的都是些没脑的白痴,根本就是一群傻瓜
lppoqql 4 months ago
刘晓波是一条汉子。
yangbaosenful 4 months ago
柴淋，吾爾開稀："我們是純潔的，親"~~
zx1031 4 months ago
死了的只是天安門母親的兒女嗎?
Helgagaist 6 months ago
搞民运的这些人都挺恶心的 只有个别非常单纯的人 像侯建德 确实像个不爱撒谎的人
eastwoodcos1 6 months ago 12
@eastwoodcos1 侯德健撒谎太大了。所以周舵，刘晓波要竭力抵赖，否认他们为共匪做伪证的事实。
lihlii64 1 minute ago
chinesefart
go back to youkou if you dont like english
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
See protectionism is looming ... learn Chinese is the way for you to survive
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
and that doesnt count for you? wow... protectionism is cool! you learned that from the CCP?? no wait, you dont support the CCP thats why you have a tibetan as your youtube channel avatar! and not just an ordinary tibetan
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
TheMightyMonkey
Learn Chinese and read my Chinese comment first ....
chineseheart 6 months ago
i heard about a rumor going on in china that jiang zeming died...
but talks about that are widely censored in china... what a huge surprise... Funerals for former Chinese leaders have a habit of turning into protests against their successors – the Tiananmen protests grew out of mourning for the deceased reformer Hu Yaobang
article 35 oppressed again! fuck the CCP
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
《1989天安门血腥清场内幕》作者吴仁华见证天安门广场有2位学生给杀和多位学生给坦克压死。
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart 死了2個人？ 就算是一起交通意外吧
eastwoodcos1 6 months ago
The Mightyguri below is here to spam the page with other topics with aim to distract our attention from the main issue here
Is there a Tiananmen Square Massacre
If USA knows in day one that there is none, Why every year before 4 Jun, US will urge China to disclose the truth. Why? How ironic it is .....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
> If USA knows in day one that there is none, Why every year before 4 Jun, US will urge China to disclose the truth. Why? How ironic it is
if there was no massacre, how comes that 6/4 is still a sensitive case in china? that they close down tiananmen square every year on june 4th and police with umbrellas patrol the streets to prevent the media from filming???? how ironic that is
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
the previous released cables just say that nobody got killed on the square, not that NOBODY got killed... and that police with riot gear was there, not just the PLA troops
doesnt change that a massacre happened this day in beijing
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
imagine what free speech and free media would bring in china :) it would bring light to the dark and maybe the government would have the chance to proof the west wrong about tiananmen square incident, but dont tell that to the tiananmen mothers ;)
freedom of speech and the press = end of CCP rule
cant wait to see umbrella police blocking the view for the media to a place where absolutely nothing happened next year....
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
This topic is about lie that has been going on for 22 years and only until 3rd Jun 2011 that via Wikileaks that it was dislcose that US knows in day one that there is no Tianamen Square Massacre. Every year, US openly asks China to disclose the truth of Tiananmen Square Massacre.
chineseheart 6 months ago
In fact, such no massacre claims had been around but why we do not take notice? There was Spanish media coverage, HK reporters witness and even Nobel Price winner Liu Xiao Bo came out to denounce the lies, we do not take notice... why?
Are we programmed that only Tiananmen Square Massacre is true?? We really need to review what source of info we are taking from now on....
chineseheart 6 months ago
The best way to know a new country is to start from the language...
Anyone who ignor the language that projects the richness of history, culture and knowledge is a fool in its own making.
Any creature who does not understand the language, nor cutlure and keep yelling against this country like it is being gang raped every second is in fact a troll and nothing more than that....
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TheMightyGuri is one good example
chineseheart 6 months ago
this is how it always ends
whenever you ask a question chinesehearts is unable to answer without loosing his face, he front :) he then starts playing like he's suddenly too dumb to understand what you write or he goes into troll mode and starts insulting you personally or think he's funny when he writes your channel name in a funny childish way
what a shame for the great chinese race he is
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
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chineseheart 6 months ago
Guri freaks out once again ... he just want to spam the first page ...
chineseheart 6 months ago
i asked for a little translation to what liu xiaobo is saying in this video, but then the super anti china CCP dickrider chineseheart came across and acted like liu xiaobo is a hero and even says tiananmen is a fabricated lie
how can you even say that?? where is liu xiaobo right now??? is your hero not in jail for some reasons???
fuck commie china
free china
free tibet
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Liu XB said there was no massacre in Tiananmen Square ... does that means LXB is now ACG enemy?
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i dont know??? what is ACG anyway??? it seems that people like you are ACG since you support misstreatment of chinese citizens which is very anti china if you ask me
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Thx for your question: ACG is Anti China Gang.. you are part of it... and no banana
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
what is the anti china gang???? :) please explain LOL
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Get a mirror.... no banana...
China is interested to take up stake in Facebook..may be YouTube later ... will you be very happy then?
You don't speak Chinese, you never visit China and you yell against China... base on what? you only interest in banana ....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
>you yell against China... base on what? you only interest in banana ....
you troll, is insulting me all you can do?? why dont you answer my simple question? was ai weiwei arrested according to chinas laws or not??? dont hide and run away, answer it :)
you even fail to explain what ACG is, yet you keep yelling ACG all the time?? base on what???
LOL moron
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
You said you cannot read my English.. so you are asking a very very stupid question... no banana again...
My English is plain and simple .... if you cannot accept what I express..., that is your problem
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
> so you are asking a very very stupid question
if that question is stupid, why do you feel so uncomfortable to answer it??? are you afraid of it?? are you afraid that a commie spy dickrider will read that you wrote ai weiwei wasnt arrested according to chinas laws???
damn i always knew you were a coward
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
艾未未参加减肥去啦！肚子和钱包都减轻啦！他已经回家，也很开心。已经和你们没有关系。请不要再利用他。
一个只问问题而不懂找答案的小猴是非常可悲的。
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
中國屁
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
you're repeating yourself, just in chinese now, 腦侏儒
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
let me try to repeat my question: was ai weiwei arrested according to chinese laws??
or so you may understand: 是艾未未依法逮捕中國的法律制度？
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
艾未未没有依法逮捕中國的法律制度。。。I've answer what you have asked..LOL!
You need to read & write Chinese in depth before you understand what we mean.... this is China. Hahaha!
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i did understand what you wrote... you were just repeating the question over again, fool -.- you didnt answer my question at all
a simple yes or no would answer it instead of repeating the same bullshit you wrote hours ago
grow up
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
ooh look here, 艾未未没有依法逮捕中國的法律制度
so he wasnt... now, why do you think he wasnt arrested according to chinas law system??? because?
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
ps. you can answer in chinese if you want, fool
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
I have told you if you don't understand Chinese, don't fool around... the real meaning is not as what you hope to be... if you want to trap me... you have a long way to go... cause you are not Chinese ... Hahaha!
Just like you think you know what happen in Tibet... in fact you don't.... you are duck fed with craps... by who... you figure it out first....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
> Just like you think you know what happen in Tibet... in fact you don't
china recognized tibet as a separate state! infact, china was the first country who even recognized tibet
not a fact?
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Like you, there is no substance in any of your statment.... bring your fact out please... if it were original from China, show us the China script... if not, it just once more showing how ignorant you are.
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
The Sino-Tibetan treaties were the conclusions of seven "sworn covenants" between 706 and 822 between China and Tibet in the Tang Dynasty. Throughout all of the Chinese dynasties – Qin to Qing - the Chinese entered into many treaties with non-Chinese states
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
So what is the latest treaty? Don't tell me you do not reognize the latest one. You have no say in any of these....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
the latest treaty?? which one? 17 point agreement???
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Learn Chinese first if you want to understand the content of the treaties.
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
hahahahahaha the full treaty text is aviable on the internet in all languages
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Read the original... or you are happy to be manipulated ... crap
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i am very happy to believe that tibet was a part of china if i wanna be manipulated, since im not, i know tibet never was a part of china
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
How do you know? Enlighten us.
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
its difficult to enlighten you, chineseheart! it is easier to teach a rock the ABC
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
This proves again you are just a hollow blower ... no substance...
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
why? because i insulted you? look how you writing my channel name since hours... hypocrite troll :D
when was tibet a part of china? please enlighten us *nosedigging* oh no wait, i dont wanna be like you again LOL
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
ok i will enlighten you know, dumb han chinese! tibet wasnt part of china because otherwise, there would have been no 17 point agreement, china would have just took tibet as it was, a province! but tibet is today an autonomous region, prefecture and counties, which proves my point
i think you need to study chinese history more, so you would know, according to your bullcrap, china belongs to mongolia
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyMonkey
Wrong again...bcs DL wanted to become independent from KMT China with the help of foreign power... that is why when CCP stepped in, they wanted to straight things out.. so there is a treaty.... see you are learning.
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
the DL?? which one? the 14th?? and which date was that??? what means become independent? tibet never has been ruled by china.... no han chinese dynasty ever had control over tibet while china was colonized at least 2 times by foreign powers :D
the treaty from 822 just sets the boundaries straight between china and tibet... like a said, ABC and a rock
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Where do you get yr crap info?
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
proof it as crap
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
"Tibet and China shall abide by the frontiers of which they are now in occupation. All to the east is the country of Great China; and all to the west is, without question, the country of Great Tibet. Henceforth on neither side shall there be waging of war nor seizing of territory. If any person incurs suspicion he shall be arrested; his business shall be inquired into and he shall be escorted back,"
the pillar is still at the jokhang temple, go and take a look, its in chinese and tibetan
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
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TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
黎洪也在北面，纪念碑最顶层，他也没有看见士兵开枪杀人。
chineseheart 6 months ago
四君子是最后一批离开，所有学生由南面离开，所以他们应是最后最北的一批。若他们能平安出来，没有看见军人射杀学生，那就是这样。
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lppoqql 6 months ago
can someone give me a quick translation???? please :)
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
Enroll Chinese lesson ....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
ok i will study chinese for a 5minute video.... NOT! i dont have time so please would you give me a quick translation?
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
You won't trust us ... so go and ask shoe ....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
you can be upright, right??
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
Judge ppl by their action not by what they speak. That is the wisdom you need to learn.
Go and enroll Chinese class... it will help you to understand China first hand... so far everything you have are third hand at least ....
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i judge you on your behaviour right now, and it seems you are unable to recognize that! or maybe this is your way telling me you're unable to be upright and truthful???
i dont have to learn chinese to know that you're always lying
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
OK! Base on what you know, do you believe that there is no massacre in Tiananmen Square in 1989? Just yes or no... your action tells what you are ...
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i saw videos and pictures of people dragging dead people on bikes and dead bodies on the ground! i dont know how many died but if those pictures aint faked, there must have been a bloodshed in beijing on that date
maybe those pictures are all CGI??? maybe you have a different story??? beside you, i am willing to learn as long as it makes enough sense, not like your tibet had slave lie bullshit that doesnt make sense
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri have you really looked into the tibet slavery controversy enough to call it bullshit? or are you simply skimming the surface? the fact that you'd rather not learn chinese to know more about china speaks against you.
xorgatetruthtable 6 months ago
@xorgatetruthtable
do you learn tibetan to know more about the tibet slavery controversy?
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
At least my grandma speaks Tibetan... you know nothing about China, you don't speak our language, you roll is accuse, accuse... to stir up heat.... you are named in the bible and you are doomed..
Let me ask you
How many Americans know their own constitution well?
How many American beleive their gov observe and act as per constitution.
Do you know if the American gov do act as per their consititution.
Do you know if the American constitution is right and justice?
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
im swiss, so what do you want from me? i say that the americans you just mentioned in your questions are the same narrowminded and dumb people you represent
ok?
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri if you want to discuss chinese politics understanding chinese is of the essence. unlike you, i actually bothered to take a crash course in tibetan.
xorgatetruthtable 6 months ago
@xorgatetruthtable
you wanna discuss chinese politics on a social community that is blocked due to chinese policies?? i dont see why i have to speak chinese to see that this is pretty hillarious
but i do respect you somehow
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
No matter how many excuses.. if you do not understand Chinese... everything you get is at least third handed.. and you open your nut head to take in everything that might not have any Chinese originals.... that tells what you are....
If someone is wrong and so you have the right to be wrong... what a monkey logic... does that apply to all of your kind?
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i dont understand your english
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyMonkey
What do we expect from you? Accept Tiananmen Square massacre is a lie from USA and you get yourself fired ?
You can sell your mother...
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
that doesnt make sense LOL
look: 9/11 was an inside job!!!
do i get fired now from what???? i dont work here you moron :D
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
this is what i tell you
watch?v=WUjvshSPM5Y
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightymonkey
Ai WeiWei has been successfully going through a GongAn Diet campaign and he has lost significant physical weight and weight in his wallet. There is no torture or LaoGai kind of myth... so the ACG lies collapse once more...
Next please .... but no banana this time... you need to try harder
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
hahahahahahahahahaha XD LaoGai myth looooool
watch?v=Fq7wrw_XpTg
look, that was for free :) i dont want your banana anyway you goddamn fool... keep on sucking CCP dick
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
watch?v=uPnxwiePkuA
how comes that ai weiwei cant talk to the media? is he afraid of getting detained again?? free speech in china is still missing... its only on paper in chinas constitution, article 35
but i bet that is also a US fabricated lie huh?? you dumbass
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
He's free because of his "good attitude in confessing his crimes". The deal is clear: Self-incrimination, and it is not a compromise as most commentators state. The CCP was even so cocky to pretend mercifulness in saying "a chronic disease" was another reason to let him go. They took the chance to show generosity, but what choices did Ai Weiwei have? He is now marked: He is a tax evader, it's official, he said it. Who cares that he was "not even formally arrested, not to mention indicted"?
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
he wasnt formally arrested according to chinas own laws, thats a fact! that is no ACG or US fabricated bullshit and even a dumb CCP cocksucker like you should know that but i bet you'r trashed mind is able to find some excuses to justify CCP's corrupt treatment of its own citizens once again you foolish loser... you are the only anti china sucker i see here since you support law violations and misstreatment of your own brothers and sisters
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
Go and ask shoe troll..she fabricated all these out and you are yelling LaoGai day in day out without knowing anything about China... that is how pathetic you are.
chineseheart 6 months ago
@chineseheart
i know enough about china! i know that tibet never was part of a chinese territorial ruled china, yet people like you still claim tibet is a part of china because the CCP occupied it in 1949
thats all i have to know, this is where the bullshit gets fishy and your credibility is gone allready
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
> i know enough about china!
Base on what you know anything about China? What crap did you take in for you to conclude? no banana.
chineseheart 6 months ago
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TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@chineseheart
if that tiananmen massacre is propaganda from the west, it has to be linked to the bilderberg group somehow, as they are trying to control the world
but the vice foreign minister of the PRC, Fu Ying, participated at the bilderberg meeting 2 weeks ago, so the CCP allready has links to this group who, as you say, use this propaganda massacre as a tool...
i think we are both somehow victims
TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
@TheMightyGuri
Don't fool around and distract the key issue. That was 1989 ... and you mentioned something current and with no backing...
Your purpose here is to divert and to defuse the pressue that is mounting on US lied and stir up issues against China.
You are just a low life troll....
chineseheart 6 months ago
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TheMightyGuri 6 months ago
taiwanyes.ning.com/profiles/blogs/lan-xue-ren-bie-zai-du-cai
屠殺照片
taiwanmlb 7 months ago
一班人證說有屠殺, 另一班人證說無屠殺, 2者無矛盾, 因為不同時間地點. 四君子侯德建講南面, 支聯會講北面. 四君子侯德健在南面不可能看到北面的事情
hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chowyunfats/article?mid=3
wongmantaks 7 months ago
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joe123lau2002 7 months ago
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joe123lau2002 7 months ago
@wongmantaks stop lie to us!
hkhongkongren 6 months ago
柴琳肯定没参加最后一天的示威；所以她道听途说或有意撒谎。六四凌晨肯定死人了，但或许不在广场上，有可能是有些道路上封堵的人群被坦克碾 了，或极端的暴力的人群被开枪了，这也是肯定有的。我的鉴定完毕
ihijacky 7 months ago
说杀了多少多少人一点意义都没有。事实证明中国人劣根性就懦弱，两个日本兵都可以杀一个村的人，就是没人敢反抗。啥也不说了。共党不好，支联 会更不是好东西。都是争权夺利罢了。欺骗百姓那脆弱的心灵。
sxz3719676 8 months ago
他们是凭良心说话的，对事情有着更高的见解，和柴岭这种人只会煽动，叫嚣的人有着本质的区别。可惜学运有这么多的有识之士，却还是毁在了不明 情况、头脑发热的愤青手中。政府有错，领导学运的人亦有错，六四看起来真的是场悲剧罢了
martinfree262 8 months ago
中国民主需要非暴力不合作，需要马丁路德金，需要圣雄甘地，需要刘晓波、侯德健这样的理性爱国人士（我至今仍然坚持四君子和学生领袖是不一 样的，只是在一个特定时期走在了一起，但他们的思想深度远不能相比），群众情绪和民族主义慎用，在历史的决定关头只有理性才能利国利民。像 柴玲、王丹这样的人，整天叫嚣，对中国政治往往不屑一顾就一竿子打死。党不全错，民不全对啊~！有本事你们从理论上去研究马克思主义的漏 洞，耍嘴皮子算什么爱国，用袁腾飞老师的话说就是爱国贼~
AlecSunshine 8 months ago 3
有哪一個智障的會相信___> " 沒死一個人 " ? 究竟撤離了多少個人 ? 是100% 撤離? 還是只有掌握到的那群完成撤離? 那些血腥畫面是在香港製片廠用演員道具拍的囉 ?! 坦克車是租來的囉? 想用這個小細節來為共產黨解套啊? 你們乾脆說整個天安門事件是吳宇森拍的動作片吧! 光是剪接這麼一小段影片是無法為共產黨擦完屁股的啦! 別白費力氣! 還抵制支聯會? 笑掉人家大牙!
iean888 8 months ago 2
@iean888 你看見事情了嗎？拿去法庭，目擊證人的供詞是最重要的。
voltaire3178 7 months ago
@voltaire3178 國際法庭嗎?
iean888 7 months ago
一个当初信誓旦旦要和留守学生共存亡的女野心家，出了事却第一个脚底抹油逃离现场，现在又披着靓丽光鲜的外衣在国外继续鸣放那些不知所谓 的领袖论调。当那些真正的义人和有识之士在竭力维护大局之时你在哪里？上帝教导我们不能轻易的论断别人，但是柴玲，你是那些一心想要搞垮 中国，企图站在学生的血泊上窃取利益的人们的帮凶，柴玲，你就是一个魔鬼！
你们不会赢的！
0oldfrog 8 months ago 5
六四大屠杀，人神共愤。全国人民决不允许中共抹杀历史。过去反动军阀段祺瑞属下的一位团长开枪杀害了几个游行示威的爱国学生，但在全国人民的 抗议下，段祺瑞不得不把这位团长给枪毙了。然而，当今中共用坦克，机枪和开花弹大屠杀了约三千位爱国学生和市民，而后又非法枪毙了许多堵二十 万国防军人城的平民。非但不追究大屠杀的责任，而且散播谣言说天安门广场上没死一个人，对讲真话和要求平反者抓打杀压。可见，中共要比反动军 阀还要坏一百倍。难怪，九评说中共是流氓恶棍。
MrLanwang 10 months ago
@MrLanwang 原來是輪團的人
voltaire3178 7 months ago
很简单的事，公布那天死亡者的名单即可。争论死了多少人，以及某人在他所处的位置有没有看见打死人，完全是转移话题。医院躺了一地的尸首，那 是在哪打死的？哪怕就是打死了一个人呢？军队开枪这件事才是问题的根本点。
holymation 11 months ago
@holymation 第一 他说了 至少在天安门 没有死伤 别的地方不敢说 第二 天安门血流成河 这不是很多支持的人的论调吗~现在有人说没这回事儿~~~~到底是谁在转进来着
Lixiaoy 8 months ago
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Lixiaoy 8 months ago
以为说杀死了几千学生，人民就能起来。结果全国游行的学生都吓趴下了，游行全部都停止了。这才是中国人，单独一个日本兵能一口气杀死40个中 国人，中国没有一个人起来反抗的，都直眼等死。这才是中国。
tiyshz 11 months ago 4
我是中国人。我支持和平示威，抨击权贵的民运领袖。但是我绝对不会支持说谎的煽动家！
dimcao 11 months ago 4
中共不对的地方就是越抹越黑！
charyfu 11 months ago 2
中华民族的罪人 你们这些闹事儿的人 要认一辈子罪
newtonsecondlaw 1 year ago
@newtonsecondlaw 追求民主自由的一群人游行示威，成了民族的罪人？难道中华人民就不配拥有民主自由吗？
tiyshz 11 months ago
去搜搜看当年的档案记录呗
哭喊着要与学生共存亡的小头目一个没死，专机接到美利坚好吃好喝去了
贪官是民族的敌人，美利坚就是民族的朋友了? 别傻了孩子
MageXriz 1 year ago 7
侯德建是好样的，他对得起自己的良知。我们被中共欺骗，同样那些民运领袖也在欺骗我们。
houribajp 1 year ago
那政府的定调应该是没问题的，一小撮人的反革命，很多人是被利用的。
sunjeffsun 1 year ago
@sunjeffsun 那政府的定调应该是没问题的，一小撮人的反革命，很多人是被利用的。
不是政府的定性没问题，而是政治是不讲道德的。对立的双方都在一定程度上说谎来扩大自己的支持力量。那枚民运领袖很多在国外也说谎。
houribajp 1 year ago 2
我相信这是真相！
misstaoying 1 year ago
中共靠斗爭戰起家，舉槍殺人--大錯。。。缺少西方的處理方式和思維。。。歷史悲劇。。
學生工人等無共識，組織不利--也錯。。。缺少有始有終的方式來訴求。。。歷史悲劇。。
《依法治國，執法必嚴，違法必究》，大陸生活的人，一定要努力告別人情世故的人治社會！
MrLangrenyizu 1 year ago
反正就她跑得快
這些人真成了事 就是再一次的文化大革命
就像當年毛用革命殺人一樣 他們接著用民主殺人
x3clblack 1 year ago
這裏面有4種人：
1 為了維護政權統治，出動軍隊，開槍打死學生的政府。
2 懷著各種政治目的，立場煽動學生群眾的民運領袖。
3 乘機搗亂的中共內部各個派系的官員軍警和部分傳媒。
4 被利用，被煽動的民運學生。
188075487 1 year ago 23
英国政府的教学视频，对六四后期的评价就是学生已经疯狂了，听不进去任何话。
想想那些领袖最后都怎么逃跑的还能到国外？国家想抓几个人还不简单？美国大使馆帮忙呗，我是老北京人，我连美国大使馆在哪里，怎么联系都不知 道，如果这些领袖在开始没联系好退路，没和美国政府有联系我是不信
c3333333335 1 year ago
侯德健说的很对，不能用谎言去打击说谎的敌人，因为你的谎言很可能被最先揭穿，柴之流的行径已经证明了这一点，为何大陆出不了像侯德健这样有 正义感诚实的民主人士呢？
柴玲像是诗朗诵，太假！
OSHK123 1 year ago 29
如果全世界人都能夠被數個政治黨派所蒙騙的話, 那麼他們的勢力可真大! 甚至比宗教及國家政府還大! 真金不怕紅爐火, 事實就是事實, 沒有必要要跟你嘈!
civicsky1 1 year ago
一句話 有沒有人開槍 有沒有人死?
ahfat83 1 year ago
原來是這樣
wunssie 1 year ago 2
不論是那一方的支持者
重要的是不要說謊
這才能對歷史負責
bboxtiger 1 year ago
没看见就没看见，没必要说谎。
kiroro1991cb 1 year ago
真能演
Yurlien 2 years ago
支亂会會正仆街，年年用64做本錢，香港有泛民班仆街遲早完
ONETWOONETWO76 2 years ago
@ONETWOONETWO76
如果64之後中共就著手改善人權問題｜如果唔係今日中共仲係咁仆街，自然唔使有支聯會。
german3chen 1 year ago
謝志峰當時也在廣場，他都正明解放軍分三路入天安門，當時有兩邊是沒有死傷的。但是另一邊解放軍入天安門時長安大街有市民先放火燒軍車燒解放 軍坦克等。在這邊市民就死得多一啲不奇，而候德建看不見有解放軍殺人也不出為奇。
lobogojo 2 years ago
謝志峰 4點走人, 他知個屁!
謝志峰說他的記者朋友在北邊, 咁請給片證明謝志峰沒說謊!
ff2006k 2 years ago
歪曲事實
keisre889 2 years ago
為什麼youtube將這的事實打落十八層地獄？？？youtube不車
lobogojo 2 years ago
因為美帝LO
jimwjkb 2 years ago
中國民調: 共產黨的誠信遠低于妓女
happy20042008 2 years ago
@happy20042008
youtube民调，你阿妈的**宽广过妓女
lhbchen 1 year ago
come to check it out. 共產黨狗
happy20042008 1 year ago
@happy20042008
我真的checked out你阿妈的**过来，真系难为佢生咗只猪出来，难怪搞到那么宽阔
lhbchen 1 year ago
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